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Aurelia



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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Open University Course Reply with quote

How is the Open University degree in England acceptable as a basic degree for Japan etc.
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Ludwig



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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Aurelia', it is far from clear what, exactly, you mean by 'how'. Do you mean 'why' is it accepted? Or do you mean 'to what extent' is it accepted?

Either way, I doubt very much that an Open University degree will suffice for Japan; they are certainly not exactly considered to be excellent qualifications here in HK for example. You will have to keep in mind at all times that you will be competing against those that have a proper (viz., on campus, full-time) degree.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: Open University Course Reply with quote

Aurelia wrote:
How is the Open University degree in England acceptable as a basic degree for Japan etc.


Aurelia, it does depend on what you mean as 'acceptable as a basic degree' but if you mean acceptable as a first degree for the purppose of getting a work permit as an EFL teacher then I should imagine that it is entirely acceptable. If you have a BA from the OU then you are a BA. Full stop. It is entirely the equal of a degree gained during a three year full time course.

Elitist notions of which Universities degrees are most prestigious may always remain. Some employers may prefer the candidate with a third from Oxford to the candidiate with something better from somewhere else. In my view the, for example, 2.i from xyz university may well indicate a greater level of ability and achievement than its Oxbridge counterpart. It was, after all, almost certainly achieved in a less well resourced environment!
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, if you tighten up the question and repost it in the Japan forum you may get more more specific replies, and if you've achieved, or are in the process of achieving an OU degree whilst working full time or bringing up kids then you have my full and total respect.

OU degrees versus "proper, full time campus based degrees" my arsh. Wake up and smell the coffee elitist boy ..."

(stillnosheep shambles off into the distance, still mumbling away to himself until the mutterings under his breath slowly drift into inaudibility .... )


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Aurelia



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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:55 pm    Post subject: Open University Course Reply with quote

Thanks Ludwig and Still No Sheep. Sorry, don't know how that how got there. I actually meant to say IS the OU degree an acceptable degree for teaching especially when it comes to visa requirements. I really wanted to hear that yes stillnosheep a degree is a degree is a degree. Of course if there is competition so be it, but at least for visa purposes it is acceptable
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2004 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Open University Course Reply with quote

Personably I'd argue that for Japanese hiring purposes it is preferable.

It demonstrates maturity, self-motivation, the ability to work alone and the dedication and perserverance to complete a set task over a period of many years in a situation with little or no immediate support network. All of which are far more relevant to working in a Japanese conversation school than the ability to intersperse a three year drink, drug and sex crazed fog with the occasional lecture, assuming the ability to wake up before 5.30 pm (or was that just me ...?).

That's how I'd argue it at interview anyhow.

Good luck.
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how the UK Open Uni system works, but the OLA here in Australia results in a degree from the relevent uni that is indistinguishable from an on-campus one. I'm thinking about continuing my degree next year at Macquarie uni through OLA, but I still haven't heard back about whether I can defer the fees while residing overseas.

It's got to be better than the archaic lectures-and-notes system - I usually reach my boredom threshold before the lecturer even arrives.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aramas wrote:
I don't know how the UK Open Uni system works, but the OLA here in Australia results in a degree from the relevent uni that is indistinguishable from an on-campus one. I'm thinking about continuing my degree next year at Macquarie uni through OLA, but I still haven't heard back about whether I can defer the fees while residing overseas.

It's got to be better than the archaic lectures-and-notes system - I usually reach my boredom threshold before the lecturer even arrives.

In the UK the Open University is a University in its own right, albeit without a campus. It offers modular degrees via distance learning for mature students unable to take a campus based degree due to work or family commitments. . I don't know how it compares with Cambridge for Practical Chemistry etc but some of the Humanities faculty are world class.
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murman



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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Aurelia,

I don't know which country Ludwig is from, but I totally agree with stillnosheep, a degree is a degree whether it's from the OU or any other UK university. With the OU, you will follow a degree-level sylabus of course, the same as any other uni. You are still entitled to use BA after your name.

When you apply for a job in Japan, it depends on the individual school etc as to who they take on. If you have a degree and an EFL certificate you have as good a chance as anyone else.

My advice is don't worry about having an OU degree, it's a degree-level qualification in its own right.

By the way, I'm from the UK.
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gugelhupf



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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is worth noting that OU students on degree courses with a practical/laboratory component don't miss out either. These units are taught at residential summer schools held at first division UK universities. From what I've seen of the OU teaching provided on contract by my own university these course units are well resourced and of a very high standard.

A very high proportion of MBA degrees awarded in the UK are also gained through the OU.
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mb2086



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course an OU degree is perfectly valid. How dare anyone imply that it's not! The OU is internationally recognised and is known to be one of the best University's in Britain for achievemnet. Most grads of the OU have given an arm and a leg to achieve their degree and so don't anyone dare say it's not an 'ordinary' degree. It is probably BETTER than most degrees with rigorous standards and some of the best quality teaching - don't take my word for it, ask the validating bodies.
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Taiping04



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aramas, you are eligible for a PELS loan whilst you are O/S. You don't start to repay it until you are back in the Australian tax system. I've just completed some Macquarie Uni. post grad. coursework. It was a mix of on-line and distance ed. PM me if you want to know more.
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Ludwig



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Mb2086', I take it then that you have never attempted to gain university employment in either Japan or Hong Kong, then.
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Taiping04



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't think the original poster - or any one else on this thread up until now - had even mentioned university teaching. "I take it then......then." Great English.
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Ludwig



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mb2086 wrote:
Of course an OU degree is perfectly valid. How dare anyone imply that it's not!

Universities - among many employers - in HK and Japan - among many other states - often do not accept part-time or distance degrees (this is quite usual in the ME, too). In addition, those that do will still give open (as stated in all germane literature) preference to full-time, on-campus degrees (for obvious reasons). I see little point in arguing over it; you may as well argue over the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of, for example, Jews not being allowed into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. After all, to echo your logic, all people are "perfectly valid. How dare anyone imply that they are not!"

I also seem to recall that visas in, for example, Singapore, can not be issued to distance and/or part-time degree-holders. The same may also be true for Taiwan, though I have never worked there.

No one is suggesting that UK OU degrees are not 'as valid' (in an academic sense), merely that some states and employers do not accept them. Since it is ultimately these groups that either make or do not make offers of lucrative employment, it is obviously these groups that count to those seeking such employment.

It is not at all clear what you mean by your assertion that "Most grads of the OU have given an arm and a leg to achieve their degree". Could you perhaps elaborate as to how this is supposed to have any import for the issue of the global 'worth' and patterns of 'acceptance' of OU degrees? I know of people who "have given an arm and a leg to achieve their" respective TEFL-like certificates. However, as the course did not have any observed teaching element the qualification is not recognised or accepted here in Hong Kong by the Education and Manpower Bureau. Are you suggesting that since these people gave "an arm and a leg" the course should be recognised and accepted? How, then, would you go about beginning to define what constitutes 'giving an arm and a leg'?
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