Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Chinese students and their limited world view
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> China (Job-related Posts Only)
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
LarssonCrew



Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Posts: 1308

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just seen Simon's post.

Again, I'm not religious, but just because Chinese student's KNOW the word doesn't mean they understand everything.

I asked the guy serving me in Subway to change his gloves after my pork sandwich because I say a Pakistani guy waiting behind me.

My Chinese friend was baffled 'Why does he need to change gloves and knives?'

I'm not religious but I at least know what the 6 major world religions adhere to, and my wife was asking 'Why isn't your Egyptian friend eating the Hui guo rou?' 'He can have beef and potatoes then?'

'It's not Halal'

'What's Halal mean?'

Gave up.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
Posts: 3154

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't Halal that terrorist group in Israel?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
it'snotmyfault



Joined: 14 May 2012
Posts: 527

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you noticed how most world maps in China have China in the centre, and not the Greenwich meridian line.

They don't need to know about the rest of the world, because they are the centre of the universe and we should all bow down to them Smile

A few students have surprised me though with their depth of knowledge about the world. I'm sure if their English skills were better a lot more students would surprise a few of us too!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Javelin of Radiance



Joined: 01 Jul 2009
Posts: 1187
Location: The West

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until some time in the early 20th century the French showed the Paris Meridian at the center of all maps, because they didn't agree with anyone else about using Greenwich.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
Posts: 3154

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Javelin of Radiance wrote:
Until some time in the early 20th century the French showed the Paris Meridian at the center of all maps, because they didn't agree with anyone else about using Greenwich.


No, the problem is the stupid Chinese students. Why mention the stinky franks or the terrorist halal groups Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Shroob



Joined: 02 Aug 2010
Posts: 1339

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinese students generally do lack 'worldly knowledge' that an equivalent western student would possess. Though it's not surprising when their education consists of cramming for the gaokao for years. If it's not on the gaokao, they don't need to know it. No such thing as 'education for education's sake' in my experience, there's no time for that. Of course I'm speaking in generalisations, there are some students I know who do have 'worldy knowledge'.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
golsa



Joined: 20 Nov 2011
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
This behavior drives me round the bend.

You try and mention anything culturally relevant and it goes down like a lead balloon.

To study a language you have to KNOW some of the culture/history, except they skip that part.

It's ridiculous the huge gaps in knowledge Chinese student's have.

How can you not name one city in India? Or more than Paris and London in Europe? It's shocking.

I've had fans of Barcelona who don't even know Barcelona is a Spanish [Catalonian] city!

The world geography is scary. I think they aren't aware that half of Africa is either white [SA/Zimbabwe, Kenyans] or Arabian, they assume all are black. I think between China and Europe they have a huge black spot.

History too, in my class I asked who Christopher Columbus was, they didn't know. They don't know Aztecs, a lot do not even know the Romans, and most didn't know there were Red Indians in America before the white European's got there.

Most don't know Vikings, and only some know about slavery.

I guess one difference is, I realized from an early age I enjoyed learning on a computer more than a book, even now I can check something out 'Oh that soccer player was born where?' and wikipedia him, then right click open new tab on an underlined link on wikipedia and keep on reading.

Part of the reason is also because they just learn what they need to for the exam, and think having any real world knowledge isn't worth it for them right there.

If you showed me a world map I could probably name more than 100 countries, and can name probably 48 or 49 US states.

Another shocker was my most open minded Chinese friend[who's English is amazing and who has traveled alot] could name fewer countries in Chinese than I could in Chinese.


This is exactly what I was asking about.

I've been to 9 countries thus far, but have never encountered a people as insular as insular as the Chinese. This isn't an insult; it's an observation.

Many other comments have basically said "well how many American students can do X or Y?" but this doesn't address the specific question I asked.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Denim-Maniac



Joined: 31 Jan 2012
Posts: 1238

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

golsa wrote:

Many other comments have basically said "well how many American students can do X or Y?" but this doesn't address the specific question I asked.


I said something about American and UK students ... but I also addressed the specific question. Dont focus on the culture, focus on the language and structures.

Of course, it might not help at all Very Happy but that's how I would approach a 'culture class'.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Sashadroogie



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an issue related to 'schemata', and is very trendy in teacher-training courses. 'Activating schemata' exercises are used to draw out whatever limited knowledge the learners may have of the issue at hand, e.g. brainstorming activities, which can be used to support the lesson. A teacher, however, has to acknowledge that learners may not have any information or interest in whatever topic is covered in the lesson, and be prepared accordingly. As Denim-Maniac has said, the target language should be the aim of the lesson.

This is not a complaint solely levelled against Chinese students, incidentally. It is frequently heard in staff rooms around the globe when learners do not evince enough interest in the material or topic presented by the teacher.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
coratheexplorer



Joined: 17 Feb 2012
Posts: 32

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kungfuman wrote:
I remember my first teaching gig in China. teaching marketing.

Questions that came up from ther textbook:

Teacher, I don't understand what a KMart is. Whats FedEx and UPS? Who is JC Penny? etc etc.

It was pointless using a US textbook.


What was the name of that textbook? Wondering about publisher, and when it was written. KMart has been on its way out (in the US) for a while, hasn't it.

Anyway:

FedEx and UPS are shipping companies. The other 2 you mentioned are department stores.

You could just say those two sentences, couldn't you? Then suddenly the book is not so pointless. In other words-- those aren't exactly confounding/book-eliminating questions that they asked you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
xiguagua



Joined: 09 Oct 2011
Posts: 768

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

golsa wrote:

Many other comments have basically said "well how many American students can do X or Y?" but this doesn't address the specific question I asked.


This idea is completely ridiculous. You're going to complain about another countries lack of knowledge when your own country suffers from the same problem? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


I don't blame the "stupid" students at all. It's really not their fault they don't have the resources or the time to broaden their knowledge. They are stuck in this system of endless cramming for a life or death exam. Compared that to our home countries and I feel there's no excuse for being ignorant.

Are the students here in the dark? Yes. Does that make them stupid? No.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
it'snotmyfault



Joined: 14 May 2012
Posts: 527

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Education's lost a lot of its meaning in the West now, where it used to be seen as a privilige and not a right, it's now the other way round.
Pretty much anyone can coast through university and get a degree, and still be pretty dumb at the end of it!
Aren't we all just products of whichever system we're in? Relatively speaking, we're intrinsically no smarter or dumber than each other.

Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> China (Job-related Posts Only) All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China