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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:30 am    Post subject: method Reply with quote

monday morning....

So, after spending the weekend on this site I am left feeling as though I am a lousy teacher that wastes everyones time and doesn't know the first thing about teaching.

For all the comments and criticism I have received, no one has given any concret examples of what to do in the class. I feel as though some people at this forum simply want to be clever and put people down, they probably don't have many friends.

OK, I teach a low level private high school. What and how should I be teaching?


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shmooj



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused

your job is definitely done

I was going to suggest some sites for you, but on second thoughts, it might be too much like hard work for you to actually browse there and read them

Laughing
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What methodology are you referring to?
Would you seriously get all the students to listen to each other practice a dialogue?
Are you for real?


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It takes up the whole lesson and I get a kick out of seeing them up close and going for it.

So your lesson goal is to waste time? Congratulations!
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I am missing something. Maybe my goal should not be for the students to acquire key expressions in English on various topics of conversation. 30 kids role playing a conversation to be evaluated by the instructor is a waste of time?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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30 kids role playing a conversation to be evaluated by the instructor is a waste of time?


If all they are doing is memorizing it, yes. Have them create one and act it out in front of the whole class. At least that way you can test what they have learned, focus the rest of the students on something (instead of letting them babble on behind your back), and be able to grade them on something. Been there. Done that.

Bringing them to the teacher's desk to regurgitate may be fun for you, but is it teaching? From the little you have described, I'd say no.

Parroting dialogue? Oh, my how boring and useless. (If it's any consolation, that's almost precisely what I'm doing this year with second year HS kids, and it's SOOOOOOOO awful, but that's the curriculum I have been handed this year. First exam scores are in. Scores? 90% got less than 40 out of 100. Previous years have been 58.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski, we are doing the same thing with the same results. Come on, don't you think it's streching it a bit to try to get them to create their own dialogs. Have you done it?

When I call the students to the podium, I review all previous material with them very quickly. They are with a partner, more relaxed, I encourage them, praise them, ask about their club activities and I introduce the next topic.

What I need to do is always have a relevant worksheet to be turned in.

Thank you for your comments.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something that I do is:

1) have pairs of students write and practice their own dialogs

2) call up one or two pairs to read them--they have no way of knowing whether or not I will choose their group, so if they want to look good in front of their classmates, they'd better prepare

3) call two students at random (I always ask for volunteers, but if no one answers, I let my pen drop randomly on the attendance sheet and call the name of the students my pen landed on) and have them do an ad-lib conversation with the same theme

4) (time permitting) call on a random student (again, asking for volunteers first...) to have an ad-lib conversation with me

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:42 am    Post subject: lesson Reply with quote

Denise, you said it. You must have motivated students and must be a heck of a teacher.

So, they change one word from the text or do you have a class full of free thinkers?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh?!?!?

No text. I give them a topic. I guess that makes them "free thinkers."

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski, we are doing the same thing with the same results. Come on, don't you think it's streching it a bit to try to get them to create their own dialogs. Have you done it?

Yes, and quite successfully. It's not a stretch if you prepare them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:39 pm    Post subject: lessons Reply with quote

I see. So, there is an untapped resevoir of motivation, originality and creativity lying within each of my classes.

Perhaps, I have been wrong all along. I learned to speak French through dialog memorization and can still recall dialogs we practiced. With the level of students that I am dealing with, 5th from the bottom in Saitama, I felt accomplished if I could get them to reproduce dialogue.
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lajzar



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may sound harsh, but one important thing is, at a JHS/SHS, don't treat them like adults. As I mentioned in another post, failure to bring study materials results in no chair. I also get on the kids back if they act disruptive. otoh, I reward good behaviour (verbally - no presents).

This is not me. I hate acting the disciplinarian. But I have seen and done it first hand and it works. One of my students is borderline adhd with a rep for bullying outside class and generally low grades. These days, he regularly gets the best scores within his (streamed) class.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:19 pm    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

lajzar, I hear you.

Thanks a lot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: method Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
So, after spending the weekend on this site I am left feeling as though I am a lousy teacher that wastes everyones time and doesn't know the first thing about teaching.

For all the comments and criticism I have recieved, no one has given any concret examples of what to do in the class. I feel as though some people at this forum simply want to be clever and put people down, they probably don't have many friends.

OK, I teach a low level private high school. What and how should I be teaching?

It really doesn't make sense to edit your original post in this way. It makes the discussion underneath it hard to follow.

Firstly, let me say that no one is a lousy teacher and that all of us are teachers who can improve you and me included. That puts us all in the same boat.

However, you have come here asking an extremely open question which is basically "What should I do?" you are going to get a huge range of opinion and, because it may be that you lack experience and training you are no closer to a solution because you do not have the ability to judge the advice people are giving you.

Let me give you a little advice for gaining experience in teaching: The only way out is through.

Your situation will never be identical to anyone else's. There are just too many variables in teaching for there to be any tips that work for everyone. You are going to have to think of strategies, try them out and work on those that seem to succeed. This will take trial and effort, joy and tears but it is, IMHO, the only way to get yourself to the place where you can answer your own questions about your classroom.

So, my advice for the next day you teach would be, try something - anything. Watch what happens and reflect on it that evening. Then, based on your reflections, try something else or reinforce what you did that day. You will grow in leaps and bounds using this approach to developing yourself as a teacher and this approach is especially useful when, as I presume, you are on your own.

Don't give up. This class will not last forever and so you cannot lose either way. If your strategies work, well good for you. If they don't, well pocket the experience for future classes and move on. There will be other students, other classes, other times...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:44 am    Post subject: Thanks shmooj Reply with quote

monday afternoon after last lesson...

Well, I just had a teaching moment. I was thinking about this school, my role, and how to achieve my goal. Then, it came to me, just like I new it would. I knew I would walk in that classroom and come out elated, eyes watering, respiration increased, pulse and heartrate as well. Yes, another teaching HIGH!

I started by letting it be known that the state of the classroom, which is ultimately my responsibility, is going to change.

Then, I asked a girl to sit straight. Then, I told them about the 23 students from New Zealand who will be staying in some of their homes and that we certainly want to take good care of them and be able to speak with them.

I then illicited some conversation topics and asked them to write a dialogue to practice with a partner. As I went around and asked after their chosen topics, hands were darting up, "oh, oh, teacher". I thought, now that's more like it.

I sat down with the leader and we came up with a great conversation between she and her guest arriving at the airport which she wrote and practiced with a partner.

I felt it was a major breakthrough and there it was under my nose the whole time. This is my goal: that they can rap to the kids who come here from our sister schools. It's perfect. Now they have a reason to study. They go there and Aussies and Kiwis come here.

I walked out of that class and floated down the stairs, I had to remember it was monday. Seemed like all the posting over the weekend paid off, damn nearly ruined my barbi last night, though.

I want to say thanks to everyone and thanks again because this was my first time on-line and it was difficult to negotiate and sorry about the editing. I came here because I have been really searching for support.


And hey, is it a beauty out there today or what. I'm down to Tokyo to teach 3 lessons of public night school, what a kick, and then a tennis match. Look out!

Cheers
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