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scottie1984



Joined: 06 Mar 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Urban vs Rural Reply with quote

Hi, I'm looking to teach in Japan for a year, I have no formal teaching training.

I'm keen to work in/near a city rather than in rural Japan.

Is this realistic? What is the best way to secure an urban job?
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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a bachelor's degree, you are qualified for entry level work in eikaiwa or as an ALT This is prime hiring season until April. Get your applications in now. Many ALT slots are already filled, and a lot of them are in country settings, so you might want to focus on eikaiwas.

When did you plan to start working?
Can you come here to job hunt or interview?
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scottie1984



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response.

I have two bachelor degrees and a masters (although not in relevant subjects). I don't have a heap of cash to survive a couple of months, nor do I have any Japanese, so it seems risky to just arrive without a job.

So I wonder if something like AEON/Interac is better for me, but it's a case of balancing them with the chance of being stuck in a rural village as the only English speaker...
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on where they are hiring. Just look at job ads on places like gaijin pot. When I was an ALT I was in Yamagata city. For this Eikaiwa position that will be ending next week (*cheers*) I'm in what they consider inaka.

How urban are you talking, btw?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didn't answer my question about WHEN you plan to come. In just 3 more weeks, most of the jobs will be taken.

If you can't support yourself for 2-3 months (US$4000-5000), then don't come, especially if it's not soon.

And, some of us who enjoy rural life might not appreciate the words "being stuck". What do you have against rural living? I can guess.
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scottie1984



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses.

Apologies, I'm not able to travel until mid-July. The main reason for prefering urban is that my Japanese is non-existent atm, so I think I might struggle without english speaking friends.

Coming from Scotland I have nothing against rural life generally!

As for how urban, an hour or two drive to a city would be ideal.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, start studying today. With daily periods of 15-30 minutes , serious studying will get you somewhere. Plus, realize that being in a rural environment will actually help you to learn it, out of necessity. It's not that terrible.

As for English speaking friends, try not to do what many do -- live in a gaijin bubble.
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teacher4life



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japanese is a very easy language to learn as far as speaking and understanding is concerned. Pronunciation is a piece of cake. Reading and writing is a different story of course, but get to it right away. In 3 months you can master hiragana and katakana if you put your mind to it. Japanese language ability is very necessary for the best jobs despite what anyone may tell you.

In 2 years you can pass JLPT2 if you work hard and stay focused, but it is merely a test for non-Japanese. REAL men do the kanji kentei! Idea
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scottie1984



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you say 'very easy' - I will take that to mean I could make some progress with some hard work! Wink I won't even ask what the kanji kentel is!

I have already started some beginners' stuff, so hopefully will get there.

I suspect I'll end up applying to AEON/ECC/Interac soon, then start applying for specific jobs in the country with employers that could help out with a visa.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not much hiring done in July, but there will be some action in August for a September start.

Urban vs. rural-I found English-speaking friends (Japanese and foreign co-workers) in small towns of 100,000. Plus much of Japan is pretty compact; nothing is more than 1-2 hours from a big city.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie1984 wrote:
When you say 'very easy' - I will take that to mean I could make some progress with some hard work!
Just get cracking. The sooner, the better. People's impressions of what seems easy will vary.


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I suspect I'll end up applying to AEON/ECC/Interac soon, then start applying for specific jobs in the country with employers that could help out with a visa.
You might want to check their interviewing schedules ASAP.
http://www.aeonet.com/aeon_index.php
https://recruiting.ecc.co.jp/online/uk/index.php
https://www.interacnetwork.com/recruit/index.php/recruitingprocess
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first cam eto Japan I lived in a small town and I spoke ZERO Japnese but actually I learnt quite a bit. In the end it was fun. Wink


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JRJohn



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:01 pm    Post subject: Rural Reply with quote

My instinct is to go for urban over rural. This is because I know I am happier with the greater stimulation and more means of relaxation, which a big city affords.
I can get depressed or stressed in smaller towns where I have to socialise intensely with just a few people I work with, and I tend to come more alive in cities.
If you go to the countryside, the advantages are: much lower rent and key money, a simpler lifestyle, and closeness to nature. Sometimes commuting costs will also be lower.
If I were moving to rural Japan right now, I would have to take this laptop and ask for an internet connection to your home immediately. That makes a huge difference keeping you connected to home, and to other ALTs and teachers. The internet may also point out where you can learn Japanese in your area. In the countryside, you do need to look for opportunities to socialise with other teachers in your prefecture, because unfortunately there won't just be a pub or bar to drop into.
I would add that if I lived in say, rural Hokkaido, weekend trips to Sapporo would be an essential escape.
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teacher4life



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie1984 wrote:
When you say 'very easy' - I will take that to mean I could make some progress with some hard work! Wink I won't even ask what the kanji kentel is!

I have already started some beginners' stuff, so hopefully will get there.

I suspect I'll end up applying to AEON/ECC/Interac soon, then start applying for specific jobs in the country with employers that could help out with a visa.


What I mean is that Japanese is VERY, VERY easy to SPEAK. Phonetically speaking, a, e, i, o, and u ALWAYS have EXACTLY ONE sound in Japanese. Compared to many other languages (in major western languages, especially German, French, or Portuguese, or compared to virtually any major eastern language (not sure about Bahasa)), this makes Japanese very, very easy.

CULTURALLY SPEAKING, there are some difficulties with learning Japanese. First and foremost among these is the fact that many Japanese people are going to slowly but surely, and almost unconciously, try to convince you that you, being a western foreigner, are genetically "incapable" of learning advanced level Japanese, though they will also say you certainly "can" learn intermediate level.

In blatant contrast, they will do almost the polar opposite with other east Asians, especially Chinese, Taiwanese, and Koreans, seeemingly having the attitude that it would behoove those people to learn Japanese for "obvious" reasons (Japan's superiority over them, lol).

As for writing, you will have to work tirelessly at it to learn it, but you CAN do it. I made it to Kanji kentei level 4, which is equal to a Japanese kid finishing 7th grade. After that, I went insane. I do not speak in jest- I truly went insane. I know of some who held onto their sanity all the way to 2284 characters, just like those who finish high school as native speakers. (Most of them have subsequently lost their sanity.)

BUT, for now you have a lot of bridges to cross before you reach insanity levels, so just hit the hiragana and katakana and first 240 kanji diligently (what 1st and 2nd grade kids learn) and see what happens after that.

As for AEON/ECC/Interac, those are all good places to work at for 1 year or 2, but afterwards if you really plan on staying in Japan you will need to move on. Especially true of Interac, which is by and large run by Americans in that disgusting Mormon religion.

Good luck!
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kah5217



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacher4life wrote:
Especially true of Interac, which is by and large run by Americans in that disgusting Mormon religion.


Do they try to work religion into their employee training?
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