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[Sodeosodeo]

My boyfriend and I have both been offered native speaker positions at Wall Street Institute in Istanbul. Salary for each of us will be 1800 TL /month, with 33 working hours/week, 6 days a week. Flight reimbursement and healthcare will be given after 3 months. WSI will cover half of our fees to get visas and permits. 28 days vacation (Paid at end of contract), and national holidays.

We both have the 40 hour TEFL certificate along with 4 year degrees (not in English) and a little bit of coaching experience, so we are new to teaching.

We're looking for adventure and good eats. What do you guys think?
Can we live off of 3600 TL / month for the both of us? Will we have any fun? Will we be able to travel?

They've also asked us which side (Europe or Asia) that we'd prefer working. Any recommendations?

Anything helps! Thank you.

[guitarboy53]

Hello Sodeosodeo,

The offer from WSI sounds very low. Since all WSI locations are franchised, they treat their teachers differently depending on the location. Does the offer include housing? If so, making 3600 lira between two people will be doable. If they are not providing housing, forget it. Decent housing starts at 1k per month and your bills will be around 600 lira per month. Factor in food, transportation, fun and travel, you haven't got much left over.

My advice to you: keep looking. You will find a better offer. 33 working hours 6 days a week is simply too much.

Another thing to consider is private lessons. You can make upwards to 100 lira per hour or more depending on your qualifications and/or what subjects you decide to teach.

Remember, Istanbul is not a cheap city--at least it's not what it used to be. There are some really great opportunities, but it requires some legwork on your part to find them.

Good luck. Let me know if you have any other questions

[oipivo]

Came here to agree with guitarboy up there. The offer is very low for the amount of hours. An average wage at language schools should be at least 18 TL per teaching hour, plus ask for rent stipend if they don't offer it. When I started at English Time I was paid 18 TL, plus 300 TL extra a month per rent, plus a 1600 USD bonus at the end of a 10 month contract. Wall Street is supposed to be a decent school, but if I were you I would haggle with them. You should be paid more for your time, Istanbul isn't cheap.

[svenhassel]

personally I wouldn't even consider any of the language schools in istanbul but i did hear that british side were good.

apply to uni prep schools first, you could be earning at least 3600 each for 24 contact hours there, probably 4000+. if that fails there are plenty of language schools to choose from with similiar offers to wall str.

good luck

[Sodeosodeo]

Thanks for the replies!

Do you think that a 40 hour TEFL and a 4 year degree is qualified enough to land a gig at a Uni Prep School?

Can you recommend any to start with?

[PC Parrot]

[svenhassel]

actually, yes.

EF will be hiring teachers to work in Beykent Uni next year no doubt, this is a good way to get your foot on the prep school ladder and the pay is far better than straight language school work. 90% of NS teachers move onto better things after one year at this place.

On the other hand:

Bilgi, Ozyegin and lesser reputed uni's have people teaching on their prep courses right now with just a celta and making well over 4000. Minimum Experience helps but I know people who have gone straight into these Universities from their Celta courses.

By the way, an MA in anything will land you a nice job in Koc teaching English, as the Dos there only has an MA in needle work or something....

There is a dire shortage of qualified teachers in Istanbul so these schools are accepting applications from the less qualified. It seems the most highly qualified and experienced teachers do not hang around in Turkey.

Many people running these courses also have little understanding of the TEFL industry and so cannot distinguish or chose not to distinguish between the celta/less prestigious tefl courses/the delta, and so if they like your CV and your face in the interview, you're hired.

Language schools should be a last resort... if only for the low pay and anti-social hours.

good luck!

[oipivo]

"...celta/less prestigious tefl courses/the delta"

CELTA and TEFL are essentially the same thing. I don't know why TEFL gets a bad rap around here. As long as the course is accredited in some way (there are several) it's a legitimate certification and has the exact same weight as a CELTA.

Also, these comfortable prep school and uni positions are few and far between. 90% of the positions available at these schools are far less than comfortable. You'll work more hours for more pay, but not ridiculously more. I've had numerous friends work at universities and private schools only to quit because the work environment was crazy as were the hours and managment. There's a reason why you see experienced teachers at language schools occasionally. DO NOT go into prep/private schools or universities expecting to be paid 4000 TL, because there are very few schools that pay that much. More power to you if you can find a position like that, but it takes a good amount of luck and timing.

In the mean time, don't get ripped off with the low ball offer. You can make much more than that at a language school. Will the teachers, management, and students be of a good quality? No, not really. But working in a language school can allow you to live comfortably and figure out the teaching thing if you're just starting.

[svenhassel]

sure, it's a question of how serious you want to get in this profession. You will work harder in a University because you will be teaching the four skills and language much more intensely in order to prepare students for academic study. At a Language school the focus is mainly commercial, to make profit for the owners, so the teaching is a means to that end.

If your primary aim is to travel then a language school is probably what you need. If you want to get into the teaching business and professional development is your primary focus then you need to be in a university environment or a serious language school.

As for why CELTA is taken more seriously.. probably because it's accredited by Cambridge University which is in itself accredited by long standing Government bodies. Many other tefl courses are totally unmonitored and so their quality cannot be assured.