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trapezius



Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction

PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they do but my previous post was not about how it is implemented, rather the actual doctrine, as was the post of the poster I responded to. Abortion might be legal in some Muslim countries, but no religious scholar goes around saying it is permissible in *Islam*, except in the case I mentioned. His claim is false.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The source of my amazement was that a couple of individuals could come and work in KSA , assuming that the moral laws of Amsterdam applied.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

And the source of MY amazement is your amazement, seeing as how I'm quite sure you encountered many such during your stay in the Kingdom.

I know that I did. Very Happy

Regards,
John
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We must have moved in different circles.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

While I certainly often felt as if I were going around in circles in Saudi,
I would be surprised if your colleagues over your many years there were too different from mine.

I'll be surprised if you didn't encounter at least a few in all those years who seemed, upon arrival, to be pretty clueless as to what life in the Kingdom was going to be like.

I can recall a half-dozen with no effort.

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John
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jaffa



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year I met a recently arrived British-Pakistani Muslim who indignantly asked, in all seriousness, "Can't you get hold of any women in Saudi?"

A few weeks later he angrily told me that his wife back home was divorcing him and I later heard that he spent his weekends in the fleshpots of Bahrain rejecting every woman who knocked on his door with the comment "Not good enough!"

He was soon fired for 'sitting down in lessons'.

You couldn't make it up Smile
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Sitting down in lessons" is used by the more incompetent outfits as a performance indicator.
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abayababy



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to remember that one. I always thought if was an indication of a more student-centered classroom!
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the BC is not too keen of teachers sitting down (most of the time) on the job, either:

"Standing, sitting or crouching
Wherever we stand in the class, students will see us, therefore standing is important when we want the attention of the whole class, for clarifying language or giving instructions, for example.

Some experienced teachers know how to hold the attention of a large group while seated, but there is definitely a greater possibility of losing some learners' attention if we are seated.
Another problem with sitting is the message it can give students. Whilst sitting down in front of students at the beginning of a class can create a welcoming, cosy atmosphere, if we are not careful, remaining seated throughout the class can give students the impression of a lack of interest and motivation on our part.
Our own body language plays a large part in the energy levels in our classroom, and it is difficult to create any energy if we remain seated the whole time."

http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/articles/teacher-positioning-classroom


"Below are several suggestions teachers and schools can use to arrange the physical space of a classroom in order to facilitate inclusion:
1. Place Student Desks in Groups � Put desks in small groups (2-4 desks per group) so that all students have opportunities for cooperative learning, collaboration and discussion. As well, place the teacher�s desk on the periphery of the classroom. Teachers in an inclusive class rarely sit down during their day and don�t need their desk getting in the way!"

http://nichcy.org/arranging-a-classroom-to-create-an-inclusive-learning-environment

Personally, I rarely sit down during a class, but occasionally I do. I've never done this, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgagXmenRq4



Regards,
John Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Zara461



Joined: 17 Nov 2012
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Location: 007-Kingdom

PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Wherever we stand in the class, students will see us, therefore standing is important when we want the attention of the whole class, for clarifying language or giving instructions, for example.


Sometimes the above strategy will not work with the Saudi students, you need something more efficient to wake up the lazy students ...... Laughing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1l2Fm-4ESQ
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nickelgoat



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last edited by nickelgoat on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:16 pm; edited 1 time in total
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear nicklegoat,

A class with only one student - or two? I'd say that's rather an unusual situation in Saudi (or in most other places, for that matter). I've certainly never had it happen.

It sounds more like tutoring - what employer was that? The BC?

Regards,
John
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cmp45



Joined: 17 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickelgoat wrote:
I've had "classes" with just one student, usually the highest-level class in the building. When that happens, it seems pointless to just be walking around the room all the time, even with just two it seems a bit strange. The students agree.


I think common sense should pervail; if by chance you have one, two or three students then it makes more sense sitting down with the students most of the time. In larger groups it makes sense to be standing - moving around the class most of the time.

This idea of standing or sitting is silly...I have never thought...should I be standing or sitting at any given moment during a lesson. It seems that the type of activity and lesson will dictate the teacher's actions.

...perhaps there is too much micro managing going on in some schools. Yes, teaching strategies can be learned, but much of it is common sense... Cool
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randall020105



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: check it out Reply with quote

Bel Air Prank:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3R-zMjpbT8


R.
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