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Tretyakovskii



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Posts: 462
Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a little searching in the wegpage for the Secretar�a del Gobernaci�n I was able to find references in the law to what you were saying, Samantha.

It seems to agree with you exactly, in effect, that it is in the descretion of the INM. It applies to those cases in which a Mexican spouse is asking on behalf of their foreign spouse for permission for the foreign spoue to reside with them in Mexico.
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Acreditar en forma fehaciente la solvencia econ�mica del solicitante, la cual deber� ser suficiente, a juicio del INM, para atender las necesidades de su c�nyuge o familiar.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well....I'm crushed that you didn't believe me. LOL. Now you know that not everything is in writing (pesos amounts to prove solvency). And even if it is, it means nothing if the office in your area chooses to interpret it their own special way. Slapping down the law in front of them and telling them they are wrong, won't go over too well. They are a bit sensitive like that.

The other thing that should be clarified besides the fact that there is no set peso amount to prove solvency, is that actual proof of solvency by the Mexican spouse, can be as simple as showing regular deposits into a bank account. You have to trust me on that one. That's basically the same thing foreigners do when showing bank statements to prove they can support themselves in Mexico. I have known foreigners who have recycled the same money in and out of the bank for 3 months, just to make INM happy. The FM2 Rentista income requirement is crazy compared to the FM3 Rentista income requirement.

Anyway (back on track..sort of) many workers get paid in cash so don't actually have that paper trail to prove anything. Bank deposits work fine. Money talks. Here are the current requirements to pass along to the lady on the other forum who is fretting over this question. They should have it made with their savings. ** I found you there when I Googled this wording in search of the document. hehe Small world.

http://www.inm.gob.mx/static/tramites/Internacion/Unidad_familiar/DependienteEconomico.pdf
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Tretyakovskii



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Slapping down the law in front of them and telling them they are wrong, won't go over too well.

Agreed, can't imagine anyone doing that, except in extremis.

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Now you know that not everything is in writing (pesos amounts to prove solvency). And even if it is, it means nothing if the office in your area chooses to interpret it their own special way.

If you mean by this that the law is unimportant, I'd have to part company with you. I wouldn't even go so far as to say the law is "relatively" unimportant.

Insofar as the law gives the INM discretion, there will be differences in outcomes, from case to case; but, if I didn't think knowing the law in the area of immigration was of any use, I wouldn't bother to search for it.

Knowing what the law says about eligibility, and processes, is important in the planning of the approach to take on a case. Judgment is required in the planing and preparation of the documents you submit, but knowing the requirements is the starting point. Knowing the law and regulations, and ultimately, the guidelines given the INM officials in how to handle cases of different types, seems extremely valuable to me.

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I have known foreigners who have recycled the same money in and out of the bank for 3 months, just to make INM happy.

I wouldn't characterize it quite this way: I'd call it practicing fraud on the INM.
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boomerexpat



Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Location: Mexico

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:46 am    Post subject: permanent resident non-working Reply with quote

Just curious as to the take of those of you who have been living in Mexico for a while.

Raising the minimum income (pension or paycheck) for permanent resident/non-working (in other words retired) to 2400 USD seems steep. How many Mexicans make that?

Is this just part of a backlash against the flood of Gringos who have headed South across the border for cheaper and more exotic living?

Does this mean that all the ESL teachers have to flee back across the border once they quit teaching? If so, seems like it would be quite a disincentive for anyone to come teach there unless they are a young backpacker or a semi-retired person with a good pension.
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 9650
Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does seem like a steep increase...I don't think it needs comparing to what Mexicans earn though.

I don't see why there would ever be a backlash against foreign residents at all. Foreigners bring money into the country and spend it here.

If anything, the new rules simply seem to come closer to what Canada and the US have in place. Perhaps Mexico is trying to streamline into North America?

Young backpackers will probably just teach on tourist visas as they've often already done. I think the bigger problem will be low and mid tier collegios and bilingual schools that a) generally don't hire through job fairs abroad and b) have generally processed the work visa from within Mexico. They won't be able to rely on locating foreigners already in country.

Top schools that hire at job fairs abroad or by email/phone will have an extra step to take in ensuring their hires have the pre-paperwork done from outside Mexico.
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boomerexpat



Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it will also change the type of expat you get who comes to Mexico to retire. Fewer of the unconventional eclectic expats. A lot more governmental workers. Most people don't have pensions these days - just 401Ks and real estate and it puts a lot of the focus on pension checks.
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j_nmi_rutledge



Joined: 18 Mar 2013
Posts: 22
Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi y'all. complete newbie here. please forgive me for an faux-pas. i am trying to learn all y'all's rules as well as learn about the EFL industry, all the new laws, etc. my head may explode any minute Laughing .

in regards to the immigration situation, i am wondering if there are any new anecdotes/experiences etc since the last post (in January I think).

also, somewhere on this wonderful world wide web (and maybe on this forum somewhere) in the last 4 days, I have read some figures that were alarming as to solvency requirements - figures like $124,000 or $100,000. To that question, as I understand what I read on the LA Mexican Consulate website, the income requirement of $100,000 (veinte mil d�as de salario m�nimo vigente para el Distrito Federal, durante los �ltimos doce meses.) pertains to the employer who has offered the job. In other words, the employer, as the sponsor and responsible party, must show this amount of funds in their bank over the last 12 months, not the person seeking the visa. If the company is an educational institution, then they must show that they are accredited/registered but then do not have to prove funds. If the person soliciting the visa is all on their own, then they must show bank funds for the last 12 months equal to about $50,000 (10 mil dias de salario minimo) OR a monthly income for the last 6 months equal to 200 days minimum wage, or about $1000 per month. (My figures are US dollars. My calculations are based on info on Wiki that the highest daily minimum wage in Mexico is a