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[usool]

Dear John

Imagine this. The following article in the Mecca Times says that the bombing of the World Trade Centre actually saved lives, hahahah. Only the Americans can come up with something like that.

Nelson Mandella:

"Because they decided to kill innocent people in Japan, who are still suffering from that, who are they now to pretend that they are the policeman of the world?"

[johnslat]

Dear usool,
In case you missed it in the article, it's actually the Japanese who "came up with that":

"While American scholarship has undercut the U.S. moral position, Japanese historical research has bolstered it. The Japanese scholarship, by historians like Sadao Asada of Doshisha University in Kyoto, notes that Japanese wartime leaders who favored surrender saw their salvation in the atomic bombing. The Japanese military was steadfastly refusing to give up, so the peace faction seized upon the bombing as a new argument to force surrender.

"We of the peace party were assisted by the atomic bomb in our endeavor to end the war," Koichi Kido, one of Emperor Hirohito's closest aides, said later.

Wartime records and memoirs show that the emperor and some of his aides wanted to end the war by summer 1945. But they were vacillating and couldn't prevail over a military that was determined to keep going even if that meant, as a navy official urged at one meeting, "sacrificing 20 million Japanese lives."

The atomic bombings broke this political stalemate and were thus described by Mitsumasa Yonai, the navy minister at the time, as a "gift from heaven."

Without the atomic bombings, Japan would have continued fighting by inertia. This would have meant more firebombing of Japanese cities and a ground invasion, planned for November 1945, of the main Japanese islands. The fighting over the small, sparsely populated islands of Okinawa had killed 14,000 Americans and 200,000 Japanese, and in the main islands the toll would have run into the millions.

"The atomic bomb was a golden opportunity given by heaven for Japan to end the war," Hisatsune Sakomizu, the chief cabinet secretary in 1945, said later."

Regards,
John - still awaiting the day

[usool]

Dear John

It gets better and better. SO lets gets this straight. The US uses two atom bombs on civilian centres. The population till this day is still suffering from radiation illnesses as a result and we are supposed to buy that this was a great idea because some Japanese (American) guy said so. So, you dont mind if the Muslims use the statement of a few loonie lefties from the US to say that the bombing of 9/11 was fully justified.

As for the proof, I think it requires a face to face meeting. Cant be done on-line. Perhaps we can meet?

Regards and best wishes

[johnslat]

Dear usool,

[justcolleen]

Mr. Usool,

I don't intend to argue with you, or perhaps I misunderstand what you're saying. I have a different point of view, opinion, etc.

[johnslat]

Dear justcollen,
Well, one does have to "consider the source", but . . .

"World Mission Digest reports that 100 million believers in Christ were martyred for their faith in the 20th Century. James Hefley in his book "By Their Blood" writes, "There have been more people martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ in the 20th century than in all previous nineteen centuries combined."

According to a study done by Regent University there were: 156,000 believers martyred in 1998, 164,000 in 1999 and 165,000 in 2000. This compares to 34,400 at the beginning of the 20th Century.

[scot47]

The sooner "usool" goes and joins his friends from Hamas in matryrdom the better. Then we will not have to read his deranged diatribes on this forum.

[usool]

Dear Scott

not have to read his deranged diatribes

Didn't realise I was putting a gun to your head and forcing you, or perhaps your choice of 'had to' here means something else?

I think your response is quite typical of a westerner. Typical in the sense that it has the tone of a righteous rightwinger. Let me just ask you this question. If the Jews found some scripture that said that the US belonged to them and started to move in by the shipload. Then formed terrorist organisations that blew stuff up. Then forced people out of their houses and forced the entire populous of the US to live in some small part of the country etc etc. Do you think the inhabitants of the US would resort to attacking the civilian members of the occupiers? More to the point do you think you would?

Regards and best wishes

[MacMahon]

Actually, for the record, the scholars do not differ on the issue of suicide Usool. There is consensus that it is not permissable under any circumstance. Based on your initial statements which I hold to be 100% correct in prinicple we are able to refer back to sources and texts from the Qur'an and Sunnah to support positions that face Muslims and as Allah says in the Qur'an: Qul haatu burhaankum inkuntum sadiqeen,
"and say: Bring your proof if you are of those who are truthfull."
Maybe you are unaware of the companion who comitted suicide out of extreme pain and was referred to by the prophet as a person with an ill fate? Or of the reknowned scholars Sk. Uthaymeen, Sk. Bin Baz (former Grand Mufti of K of SA) and others who have provided refutations from Islamic texts upon those who perform such acts?

In contrast I would add that it is not upon the likes of ourselves to be wading in such deep waters as providing justification for actions that have no grounding or support textually. the saying holds true especially within Islam: The goal absolutely does not justify the means.

[Hector_Lector]

Yer man usool is looking for used cars in the Oman forum.

Should we start to get suspicious?

[johnslat]

Dear Hector_Lector,

[scot47]

"usool" seems to be suffering from another delusion - that I am a citizen of the USA.

If he would extract his head from his ****hole and read some points he might find that I am not a citizen of the US.

But then he is an obsessive-compulsive and they typically are not good at seeing things from the viewpoint of others.

[Bindair Dundat]

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