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wawaguagua



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:06 pm    Post subject: Getting a long distance Z visa? Reply with quote

I've recently accepted a new job from within China at a university. The university originally confirmed with the local Foreign Experts Bureau that I could acquire my Z-visa from Hong Kong. I accepted the job offer and waited out the paperwork for three weeks. I've finally received all of the paperwork I need from both the school and the government, but there's one issue. I am no longer able to apply for the Z visa from Hong Kong, and I can only get it from the United States.

It's been suggested to me that I can send all of my paperwork, including my passport, to my family in the United States. They can then send it to a visa agency which can get the Z-visa without my physical presence. Obviously, I'm very hesitant about this method, as it would involve sitting around in China without a passport. There's also the risk that my passport could get lost in the mail. I'm also a bit unsure of the process - For example, many visa agencies say that a flight itinerary is necessary for the visa process, which wouldn't be applicable if I'm already in China.

Any insight into the process would be much appreciated! The university has been very good to me thus far and I'm still very interested in the job. The fact that they've done all of the work on their end already is a huge plus.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting a long distance Z visa? Reply with quote

wawaguagua wrote:
I've finally received all of the paperwork I need from both the school and the government, but there's one issue. I am no longer able to apply for the Z visa from Hong Kong, and I can only get it from the United States.


why? are you physically prevented somehow from going to hong kong?
or did the paperwork not state hong kong, but home country?
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wawaguagua



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting a long distance Z visa? Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
wawaguagua wrote:
I've finally received all of the paperwork I need from both the school and the government, but there's one issue. I am no longer able to apply for the Z visa from Hong Kong, and I can only get it from the United States.


why? are you physically prevented somehow from going to hong kong?
or did the paperwork not state hong kong, but home country?


It's the latter. The United States is filled in as the specific place where I need to go, and the blank space where Hong Kong SAR would be filled in has a big dash in the middle of it. I don't really understand why, as the university specifically confirmed with the Foreign Experts Bureau that I could get it from Hong Kong before they applied for the paperwork. One of my friends thinks the government simply filled it in wrong, but there's nothing anyone can do now.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting a long distance Z visa? Reply with quote

wawaguagua wrote:
One of my friends thinks the government simply filled it in wrong, but there's nothing anyone can do now.


Id agree with this. It was probably a mistake.

Cant offer much advice, but thought it was to post to say that I dont believe you would need to show flight details when applying for a Z visa. When applying for a tourist visa you do need to show return flight details, as this assures the visa issuing authority that you intend to leave the country within your visa period.

I recently applied for a Z visa in the UK and didnt have to show flight details. I have a friend travelling with me on a tourist visa and he had to produce his return flight details before the visa would be issued. Although this was in the UK, it would be common sense for the same to be applied elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting a long distance Z visa? Reply with quote

wawaguagua wrote:
I'm very hesitant about this method, as it would involve sitting around in China without a passport. There's also the risk that my passport could get lost in the mail.


ask the school to resubmit the paperwork. lotsa time left before the
fall semester. why take the risk? otherwise, plenty of other schools
to choose from.
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wawaguagua



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting a long distance Z visa? Reply with quote

[quote="choudoufu"]
wawaguagua wrote:

ask the school to resubmit the paperwork. lotsa time left before the
fall semester. why take the risk? otherwise, plenty of other schools
to choose from.


The contract was actually supposed to begin several days ago provided the government got the paperwork back on time. I didn't mind waiting for three weeks but I really don't like being this stagnant. Also, while I have plenty of money saved up, waiting around for another whole month without an income really defeats the purpose. It would probably be more expensive to wait around that long again compared to paying for all of the express fees, as I'd have to do a lot of traveling to keep myself from dying of boredom (I've literally done everything that can be done in the local area twice already).

My latest plan is to go stay with a close relative who teaches English in the nearby, peninsular country-that-shall-not-be-named. I haven't seen him in several years, and he's offered to put me up for as long as it takes to get my paperwork back from home. This solves several issues: 1. It gives me a place to go after my first 90-day entry ends on my current L visa. 2. I'd have access to more reliable mail services (nationwide FedEx availability!). 3. I'd have a place to live after the end of the month.

The big question, of course, is whether or not the Z visa can actually be done from the United States if I'm not actually in the United States at the time.
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wawaguagua



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems the mistake on the part of the government isn't filling in the paperwork wrong, but giving the school the wrong information from the beginning. Apparently, for that province, all foreigners are supposed to get a working visa from their home country. This may actually be a new criterion that has only taken effect in the last few weeks. It's not all that clear.

I've talked to several third party visa agencies in the United States. Several of them seem confident that they can help me, while some have never encountered my situation before and aren't sure. One aspect that is clear is that trying to mail everything to and from China would be very difficult and perhaps unreliable, so attempting the process from Seoul using FedEx would be a much better idea.

It will be expensive and risky, but the alternatives seem to be going back home and starting over again (also very expensive) or grabbing up another shady job like my first one that will have me start working right away on a tourist visa (also very risky).
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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has Obama done anything to upset China recently?
Wasn't he buddying up with Japan over those islands. Or complaining about unfair trade subsidies?

If so you might have to got to the US for your Z, and pay more for it than the rest of us have to pay Laughing
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wawaguagua



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's clear that iI will need to get my Z visa from my home country. My question is still whether or not it is possible to do this without actually going back to my home country (by sending my documents to a visa agent).

My designated PRC consulate is somewhat far from my home city anyway, so I'd have to use a visa agent regardless. I did so in order to get my L visa. I need to know whether or not my physical body must be in the United States at that time in order to do so.
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dean_a_jones



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty certain the answer is no.

In theory, you should be able to get the paperwork done by someone else back in the US (like using an agency as you say) and they could send it to you. However, I think when you apply they will see that you have entered the country and not left again and are currently on an issued visa. So they probably won't even issue the new visa. Assuming they do, they won't allow someone to hold two valid visas at the same time, which will be a problem, as they will cancel the current one that you are in the country on. When you got the passport back you will then need to leave China anyway and reenter using the Z visa, but when you leave you will not be on a visa as it will have been cancelled, thus causing you a big problem.

If you don't want to go to all the way to the US, it might be better to go to HK, send off your passport to be processed and sent back, then reenter on the Z-visa. Using an express service, that might be able to be done in a week or so.
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wawaguagua



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dean_a_jones wrote:
Pretty certain the answer is no.

In theory, you should be able to get the paperwork done by someone else back in the US (like using an agency as you say) and they could send it to you. However, I think when you apply they will see that you have entered the country and not left again and are currently on an issued visa. So they probably won't even issue the new visa. Assuming they do, they won't allow someone to hold two valid visas at the same time, which will be a problem, as they will cancel the current one that you are in the country on. When you got the passport back you will then need to leave China anyway and reenter using the Z visa, but when you leave you will not be on a visa as it will have been cancelled, thus causing you a big problem.

If you don't want to go to all the way to the US, it might be better to go to HK, send off your passport to be processed and sent back, then reenter on the Z-visa. Using an express service, that might be able to be done in a week or so.


That makes sense. My plan is to leave China and send out my passport/paperwork from South Korea, where I will stay with a relative during the process. Like you said, this will avoid the issue with the exit visa stamp, and I also think the mailing services between South Korea and the United States will be more reliable.

Do you think the Chinese consulate in the United States will care if I am missing an exit visa for South Korea (implying that I am still in South Korea when they receive the paperwork)?
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Harbin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wawaguagua wrote:
My question is still whether or not it is possible to do this without actually going back to my home country (by sending my documents to a visa agent).


The answer is no.

I did exactly what you want to do back in January. I paid for same day visa processing and the visa agent got it done while I remained out of the US.

Protip: be sure the visa agent puts your passport in a thick envelope because some delivery companies won't accept the package if they know a passport is in it.
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Javelin of Radiance



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harbin wrote:
wawaguagua wrote:
My question is still whether or not it is possible to do this without actually going back to my home country (by sending my documents to a visa agent).


The answer is no.

I did exactly what you want to do back in January. I paid for same day visa processing and the visa agent got it done while I remained out of the US.

So you say the answer is no and he can't do it, then you go on to describe how you just did it. Is there a typo in your post or something?
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Lancy Bloom



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried the Chinese method of placing an even amount of money in a red envelope and giving it to the person in charge of the paper work.
Worked for Xi Jinping.
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wawaguagua



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I went ahead and did it. It was more expensive than going to Hong Kong, but it worked. I must clarify again that I didn't send my passport from China, I sent it from a neighboring country (with a proper exit stamp from the PRC).
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