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Should I just wring his neck?
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, just a sarc.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is coz I'm pregnant. Gives me a licence to be rude about Billy boy, just like it does in the classroom for students.
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh God! I had a bad student a bit like this. Everyday there was some racist stuff he would say about black people, Arab people, Jewish people adn I thought it was too much. Also when he came in late for class he would snap things like "start the lesson now!" and "Write that on the board!" etc... Crying or Very sad

So I told my boss who was quite helpful he said I should calmly explain that thsoe things are consoderd rude in my culture and if he wants to learn English to impress people he needs to know about culutral rules because if he came in late to a meeting and let off with a mouthful of racial slurs and pushy demands he would be defenestrated. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently had an incredibly wealthy, arrogant Russian student who thought he was far superior to me. He intended studying Maths for a PhD.

So one day I simply asked " Oh, you are from St. Petersburg, aren't you?
Could you explain to me about Grigori Perelman's "Thurston's Geometrization Conjecture" and it's importance and relevance to society?

I don't think he has picked his jaw up from the floor yet. His attitude dramatically changed after that.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Agree with HLJHLJ. This probably isn't a linguistic problem but treat it as one. Start off by saying that in anglophone culture that type of comment will be interpreted as crass and offensive and would most likely provoke a harsh reply. He knows that right? : ) It is your duty as a teacher to help him overcome this shortcoming...

Had a similar experience with a corporate student. She was very disagreeable, and became downright rude. She was also pregnant, which I suppose may have had something to do with it. In any case I actually did lose my composure and in response to yet another mentally aggressive comment of hers, I shot out "Do you always behave like this? Or is it just when you are pregnant?"

Most unprofesh, I know. But I have lost very little sleep over it, and was quite happy when the school I was freelancing for informed me that her timetable didn't allow for any more lessons.


Heey ! Great minds think alike. I agree with HJHJHHJHJHJ! Wink

Congratualtions about being pregnanat! Well done! Very Happy


But I am confused. What mean comments did you right about Bill Bryson? Confused


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john123



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear SashaDroogie
I don't even bother to read your comments.

Dear sensibles
He is Polish.

Regards

John
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're missing the best part, then, john123; better a Pole than a mick (that's me).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also treated this kind of thing as an issue that needed language attention, when it came up from time to time. I was deeply enthusiastic about resolving any such issues, because, you know, I really cared about their language development! Of course quite often that's what it really is all about - an inability to express oneself in a foreign language in an appropriate way.
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Zuckerberg, you know who he is? Powerpoint, you know what it is, right? England, you know it's a country, right?

I think this is a bit different, though. I learned to develop a cold, hard stare while teaching in high schools too, which can be useful. Sometimes this and a pause (for maximum stare impact), then "Is that a serious question?" works. If it were me and he continued after that, I'd maintain the stare for a bit and then just move on with whatever I'd planned.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is this Zukkerberg you lot keep on piping on about? And what the heck is a powerpoint??
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john123 wrote:
Dear SashaDroogie
I don't even bother to read your comments.


Quite right too. I rarely bother either, let alone reply to them.

Hope you manage to wrest a solution to your classroom problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear artemisia
Among the many solutions, the cold, hard stare is one which I think could be rather fruitful.
In reply to his questions, I've also considered just saying 'no' with a completely straight face:
Enemy: 'You've heard of google, right?'
Teacher: 'Google? You said , google? No.'

I think it would actually be fun after a while because I don't think he'd pick up on slightly sarcastic intonation etc.

Regards
John


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artemisia



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Enemy: 'You've heard of google, right?'
Teacher: 'Google? You said , google? Nooo.'

Well, I like it. Sounds promising. You could add a bit more if you wanted:

Teacher: �I love it when you teach me things. Tell me all about google now. What is it?�

I guess teachers always have to take into consideration how much they need the work and possible ongoing connections. If this is not an issue, then now might be the optimal time to conduct a series of behavioural experiments on him to see what works! There are some good ideas on this thread.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any follow-up? Has learner's neck been wrung? Were the other ideas successful?
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john123



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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sasha
He still has a neck.

I now have one individual lesson with him and one where he is in a group (with his subordinates). He will really use the latter to try to make me look a fool.

I'm ready for the fight in the coming weeks.

Regards

John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm. Interesting. Group dynamics with office politics thrown into the mix are always good for a laugh. He'd need to be very careful that he doesn't make himself look like a fool in front of his underlings. He has more face to lose than you do, it appears to me. So the situation should be easy enough to flip. Topsy turvy him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtQAa3Y-ns
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