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Phoenixrising



Joined: 15 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Married Couple! Please help! Reply with quote

My husband and I have been considering moving to Japan for years, but the stars have never aligned. We have finally decided to take the plunge next March/April intake Smile We both want to pursue ALT positions, but we have a few questions about being marketable and logistics.

1. Should we apply independently to Interac (yes we are aware of the potential horrors of dispatch) and hope for the best with placement and location? Or should one person apply and the other fly over on a dependent visa and look for work? Any options we're overlooking?

2. Is a CELTA or TEFL certification a significant requirement to apply to a dispatch company?

3. Will the salary be sustainable for two people?

4. Any suggestions for decent accommodation besides Leopalace? My husband is quite tall and while watching him try to squeeze into a loft would be hilarious for me, I think it would get old quick.

Not sure if a quick peek at our info will be helpful, but I included it anyway:

Hubby (age 29)-
BA in Humanities and Asian Studies
Intermediate Japanese language proficiency
5 years unrelated work experience
Will have about 6 months ESL tutoring experience upon applying
(He wants to know if he should try to squeeze in a TEFL certificate or pursue teaching certification for future jobs. We know the market is super competitive.)

Me (age 28 )
BA in English Literature
MA TESOL
Basic Japanese language proficiency
6 years ESL tutoring/teaching experience in the US
3 years university teaching experience in the US (I currently teach undergrad and graduate courses in ESL and composition)
Teaching Certification for grades K-12 ESL and 6-12 English will be complete April 2014

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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teacher4life



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Married Couple! Please help! Reply with quote

Phoenixrising wrote:


Hubby (age 29)-
BA in Humanities and Asian Studies
Intermediate Japanese language proficiency
5 years unrelated work experience
Will have about 6 months ESL tutoring experience upon applying
(He wants to know if he should try to squeeze in a TEFL certificate or pursue teaching certification for future jobs. We know the market is super competitive.)



Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Dump him NOW.
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Ryu Hayabusa



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice would be to get a job with Interac or any other dispatch agency that places people in large cities. Work for a year while keeping your ear to the ground for better jobs. With your MA and experience, it'd be possible to get a better job after a year. Join JALT when you get here and try your best to network. A lot of better jobs (such as direct-hire positions) are found by word of mouth.

It would be tight for two people to live off of 230 000-250 000 yen per month. It's doable. But is there really a strong reason for the two of you to live on such a low budget just to live in Japan?

1.) You should both apply to Interac and hope to be placed together. If you don't get placed in the same city, make a decision at that time as to what to do.

2.) It's not a significant requirement, but it would help to give you a little edge in the hiring process over those who don't have such certifications. I would highly suggest the CELTA for any where other than Japan, though. And the teaching training one gets doing a CELTA really helps in lesson planning and delivery.

3.) It's sustainable but near subsistence wage.

4.) Suggestions for decent accommodation depend on the city/area you'll be in.

Good luck!
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TokyoLiz



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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Why?! Reply with quote

Why the heck would either of you want to work for a dispatch agency with your qualifications?

See the JALT.org job listings? http://jalt-publications.org/tlt/departments/job-info-centre/jobs?page=3

And see J-Rrec http://jrecin.jst.go.jp/seek/SeekTop?ln=1
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kah5217



Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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Location: Ibaraki

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were a few people in this year's Interac intake that were given houses instead of Leopalaces, because their spouses were living with them. Now, I don't know if they were hired together as well (I didn't want to ask the woman in my group in case he wasn't) but depending on the branch, they will work with you to an extent. If you get a placement like mine, you'll most likely work in different cities but probably close (I'm the only contract here but there are some in the city half hour away).

I'll tell you, though, you're going to need more than just your pay to make it through. We get about 10,000 USD less than JET.
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Phoenixrising



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Married Couple! Please help! Reply with quote

teacher4life wrote:
Phoenixrising wrote:


Hubby (age 29)-
BA in Humanities and Asian Studies
Intermediate Japanese language proficiency
5 years unrelated work experience
Will have about 6 months ESL tutoring experience upon applying
(He wants to know if he should try to squeeze in a TEFL certificate or pursue teaching certification for future jobs. We know the market is super competitive.)



Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Dump him NOW.


Yes, I should definitely dump him. He only busted his butt for 5 years to help put me through my MA program and support me while I worked uni jobs part time with no benefits AND is willing to gain experience to change his vocation completely. I mean, what a loser. Rolling Eyes
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Phoenixrising



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryu Hayabusa wrote:
My advice would be to get a job with Interac or any other dispatch agency that places people in large cities. Work for a year while keeping your ear to the ground for better jobs. With your MA and experience, it'd be possible to get a better job after a year. Join JALT when you get here and try your best to network. A lot of better jobs (such as direct-hire positions) are found by word of mouth.

It would be tight for two people to live off of 230 000-250 000 yen per month. It's doable. But is there really a strong reason for the two of you to live on such a low budget just to live in Japan?

1.) You should both apply to Interac and hope to be placed together. If you don't get placed in the same city, make a decision at that time as to what to do.

2.) It's not a significant requirement, but it would help to give you a little edge in the hiring process over those who don't have such certifications. I would highly suggest the CELTA for any where other than Japan, though. And the teaching training one gets doing a CELTA really helps in lesson planning and delivery.

3.) It's sustainable but near subsistence wage.

4.) Suggestions for decent accommodation depend on the city/area you'll be in.

Good luck!


Thank you for all of the helpful info! We definitely do not want to live off of that amount with two people, even to live in Japan. The plan was for us both to work full time. We thought we should target the bigger dispatch companies, regardless of my experience, hoping that we would have a larger chance of being placed together. But we aren't sure that they even take marriage status into consideration.

Do you think it would be near impossible for us both to be able to obtain employment? I know my husband would have a more difficult time finding work, but at least his BA shows his interest in the culture. The CELTA info was for him to beef up his qualifications, but if it's neither here nor there in Japan then we wouldn't spare the money. Especially when we need to save up at least $5000 for start up expenses. Wink
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Phoenixrising



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Why?! Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
Why the heck would either of you want to work for a dispatch agency with your qualifications?

See the JALT.org job listings? http://jalt-publications.org/tlt/departments/job-info-centre/jobs?page=3

And see J-Rrec http://jrecin.jst.go.jp/seek/SeekTop?ln=1


Thank you so much for the links! The postings look very promising. I will definitely keep a tab on these during our job search. The reason we were looking at dispatch was location placement alone. Is it true that most direct hire positions and private schools require you to be on ground with a work visa before applying?
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Phoenixrising



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kah5217 wrote:
There were a few people in this year's Interac intake that were given houses instead of Leopalaces, because their spouses were living with them. Now, I don't know if they were hired together as well (I didn't want to ask the woman in my group in case he wasn't) but depending on the branch, they will work with you to an extent. If you get a placement like mine, you'll most likely work in different cities but probably close (I'm the only contract here but there are some in the city half hour away).

I'll tell you, though, you're going to need more than just your pay to make it through. We get about 10,000 USD less than JET.


That's encouraging! Different cities wouldn't be horrible as long as they aren't 3 hours apart. Hopefully we could find an apartment in between.

Interac still gets that much less than JET? I could have sworn that the first year pay had come down significantly for JET. I saw rumors that they were giving out pay pre-tax now. Is that not the case?
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kah5217



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure. I get the standard 230,000 yen per month, and with my location bonus and transportation reimbursement I'd say it totals 250,000 before taxes.

Car lease around 20,000, rent is high considering the apartment size, so figure 60,000 plus utilities, my water bill is 3,500, phone around 5,000, I like running the heater and dry fan so electric is probably going to be 6,000, gas maybe 2,000, I like the kombini so there's a solid 15,000, groceries 20,000, petrol 8,000, and "presents and goodies" for an undetermined amount. So I'm looking at saving around half of my check. Keep in mind that I didn't leave any allowances for eating out or drinking (enkai are too expensive for me to justify often) or for clothing/toiletries.

Japan has a big commuter culture, so it's entirely possible for you two to find a middle ground and commute easily. Though the company is very specific on what they will and won't reimburse you for, so don't think you can ride the Fresh Hitachi to work every day and have them foot the bill.
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hagiwaramai



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Location: Marines Stadium

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello PhoenixRising.

Have you already taken the obvious first step of simply asking Interac for their advice or information? If not give them a call and ask how much provision they can make, if any, for couples, assuming of course you both got the job. Failing that, if one of you didn't get the job, it probably wouldn't take too long for that person to find something from within Japan once you got here assuming you were in a large enough area, i.e big urban area, so again ask Interac how much guarantee if any they can give regarding offering you your preferred location. For all the big companies' faults they're usually pretty good when it comes to putting you where you want to be.

And of course don't forget to scour the net for better or different opportunities. OyahoSensei is one of the best in terms of job quality, although a lot of them want people to be in Japan already. jobsinjapan is also good, and of course gaijinpot. The latter two update daily so keep checking them and you never know what'll turn up. Good luck!
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TokyoLiz



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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This forum needs a like button for responses like Hagiwaramai's.

I found the best jobs on Ohayo sensei.
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hagiwaramai



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
This forum needs a like button for responses like Hagiwaramai's.

I found the best jobs on Ohayo sensei.


Thankyou.

Yes, interestingly I went to a part-time job interview last month where the interviewer told me if he wants good candidates he advertises on Ohayosensei, but if he needs to fill up a bank of teachers quickly for a sudden influx of contracts for the company he advertises on gaijinpot.
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