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thomthom
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 Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: Working with incorrect teaching visa |
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This happens to be relevant to me right now but I hope to pose it in a way more open to general discussion:
What are the likely/possible repercussions of working with the incorrect type of teaching visa? For example, working for an academy with an Instructor rather than Humanities visa, and vice versa? Assuming one has been able to independently sign on to health insurance.
I suppose this is mainly relevant to those who haven`t been able to obtain a release letter. (I`m trying to get mine but they`re making me jump through hoops) |
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hagiwaramai
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| This is an official rule but I have never heard of anyone having having any problems from not following it. Has anyone? I stayed on my Humanities visa for 2 years while an ALT and then left Japan so immigration never had the chance to find out anyway, but the dispatch company I was with never said anything about changing my visa status. So long as the visa was valid they were happy. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me similar to the old rule about updating your gaijin card when some of the information on it changed, which you were legally supposed to do within 2 weeks, but which they didn't bat an eyelid about if you changed years after the fact. |
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Cool Teacher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I had a Humanities visw which I liked but then I joined a school and when I went to renew my visa they just gave me an Instrutocr visa but they didn't tell me before that I had to change it so I didn't change it but when I went to immaigration every thing was fine. 
But you can also get a special free addition to your visa which is called something like "working in a field which isn't your actual visa status" or something. I applied for it and got it and it was free but it took a bit of time. I did this about 5 or 6 years ago. |
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thomthom
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| hagiwaramai wrote: |
| This is an official rule but I have never heard of anyone having having any problems from not following it ... it seems to me similar to the old rule about updating your gaijin card when some of the information on it changed, which you were legally supposed to do within 2 weeks, but which they didn't bat an eyelid about if you changed years after the fact. |
I was anxious about this for a while because someone led me to believe I wouldn't be able to get on health insurance if I had an incorrect visa. That certainly WOULD have been a problem, a deal breaker for living in Japan. But I went to the bureau and signed on easy enough. It seems there is essentially no communication between immigration and NHI, nor any communication between NHI and the school (if you're paying 100% of it). All that matters in practice is that it is valid.
I'm getting the impression there must be a lot of teachers in Japan, especially those with more "slack" employers, who are working with the technically-incorrect teaching visa. (Of course there must also be people out there working with no visa at all, but that seems in a different league of naughtiness). |
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hagiwaramai
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| thomthom wrote: |
| hagiwaramai wrote: |
| This is an official rule but I have never heard of anyone having having any problems from not following it ... it seems to me similar to the old rule about updating your gaijin card when some of the information on it changed, which you were legally supposed to do within 2 weeks, but which they didn't bat an eyelid about if you changed years after the fact. |
I was anxious about this for a while because someone led me to believe I wouldn't be able to get on health insurance if I had an incorrect visa. That certainly WOULD have been a problem, a deal breaker for living in Japan. But I went to the bureau and signed on easy enough. It seems there is essentially no communication between immigration and NHI, nor any communication between NHI and the school (if you're paying 100% of it). All that matters in practice is that it is valid.
I'm getting the impression there must be a lot of teachers in Japan, especially those with more "slack" employers, who are working with the technically-incorrect teaching visa. (Of course there must also be people out there working with no visa at all, but that seems in a different league of naughtiness). |
That would have been a problem for sure, yeah. I presume they checked your visa status but I think that would be more just to check your eligiblity for NHI by being a legal resident, but what your actual job is is none of their business. That would be for immigration to worry about. It seems like immigration don't care if you're on a similar type of visa, i.e humanities vs instructor, but I'm not so sure about what they'd feel if you were on an entertainment visa but teaching, or vice versa. |
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