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Harbin, Jilin, Shenyang, Changchun - NORTHEAST QUERY

 
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Harbin, Jilin, Shenyang, Changchun - NORTHEAST QUERY Reply with quote

I am feeling the itch again. I went to Shanghai and I couldn't stay there. I went to the Shenyang area and enjoyed half a year. Recently, I have been meeting people from Shenyang or Changchun while living in Beijing.

While Washington D.C. is too political of an area for me, Beijing is just kind of an imaginary bland "park" for the rich in China. They pretend to have superiority where the Washington D.C. elites drink cocktails at home parties.

I can't feel at home with either scenario. If we need these capital cities to hold the world intact, then may the forces be with both grand cities.

I just need my piece of the pie.

Ideally, I am looking for a city with good transportation. Beijing is superior to D.C in this regards. This is why I am still here. I have to lose a limb before I leave this city. I really enjoy being able to go anywhere I want. The pollution aspect doesn't mind me because I stay indoors.

However, I am realizing Beijingers are disguised and are actually from other cities. When I look closer, they are from the northeast.

Either they are from Harbin, Shenyang, or in an area near like Changchun.

Who has experience in the upper north? Where is the transportation the best? In Shenyang the buses were mediocre. I am looking for a change. Friday, the recruiter for my current school told me I am not really suited for Beijing. After the weekend, I have been thinking of alternatives and he might be right. He tried to sell me on a Tianjin job, but that might just be an easy escape, not really want I want.

I don't know the north enough to turn down this Tianjin offer.
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Zimmer



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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shenyang has a subway system which makes getting around a lot easier. I don't know about the other cities.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zimmer wrote:
Shenyang has a subway system which makes getting around a lot easier. I don't know about the other cities.


Ehh a subway system with only two lines that are useless if (A) you don't live on top of them or (B) you are going somewhere that isn't on top of them. Which, at this point, is 90% of the city. It's a huge city that's fairly sprawled out and would need half a dozen lines for decent coverage, and even then, a lot of places wouldn't be covered. Furthermore, the buses are slow and extremely crowded. Forget about getting a seat unless you get on at one of the first two stops on the route. Traffic is also horrible. Going 10km can take well over half an hour sometimes. And by sometimes, I mean not in the middle of the night.

Shenyang does NOT have a good transportation system. If you like that, pick somewhere else.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exp in Harbin, 1 year.


Can't tell you much about public transport, they were building a subway of sorts when I was there. Might be finished now. Anything else you wannt know, pm me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

likwid_777 wrote:
Might be finished now. Anything else you wannt know, pm me.


It's still under construction and should be ready in early 2014.
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keeperofpythons



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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a DC native who has spent a considerable amount of time in Beijing, comparing the two is beyond apples and oranges.
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keeperofpythons wrote:
As a DC native who has spent a considerable amount of time in Beijing, comparing the two is beyond apples and oranges.


What is that supposed to mean? I was never challenging the notion that DC and Beijing should be the same from birth.

I was stating the differences. If you are supporting me in this in saying they are "BEYOND APPLES AND ORANGES" (which mind you are both FRUIT!!! HELLO!!! not much differentiating there, but I understand that is the DC political way to argue -- got to be right on both ends while sharing cocktails at the local neighborhood get together.), then you would logically agree with me that DC is more political and Beijing has more of a business sense to it.

I see war museums in Beijing, while there are racial divides in DC. What I mean by racial divides has to do with more the recognition than an actual living situation.
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5h09un



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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've been living in harbin for more than two years. harbin is probably the best city to live in in this region besides dalian, but i've never been there so i can't compare.

it's okay here. people are pretty down to earth. the public transportation situation kind of sucks, especially in the winter and during rush hours or when it's raining. there aren't enough buses, so sometimes people are packed into them like sardines. and there aren't enough taxis either. sometimes strangers will share a taxi. the subway isn't finished either. i heard it was supposed to open last year but work on it seems to have stopped.

but as somebody else mentioned, the situation in shenyang is much worse. they have a subway, but it doesn't serve most of the city. shenyang is basically a bigger, dirtier version of harbin. it's a nice place to visit because it's got a lot of historic sites, but i would not want to live there.

and even though harbin is really, really cold in the winter time and the winter is very long, the summer is quite nice. the temperature is rarely over 30 degrees and it hardly rains. in fact, it's usually sunny. and there are outdoor beer gardens all over the city that are pretty cheap.

if there's anything else you'd like to know, feel free to ask.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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even though harbin is really, really cold in the winter time and the winter is very long, the summer is quite nice.


Ah, Summer in Harbin, I remember that day!
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