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Joined: 10 Apr 2013 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:48 am Post subject: J.D., Teaching in Japan |
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Hi,
I have an M.B.A. and a J.D. I have also two years experience teaching ESL in Korea, two years teaching test prep at Kaplan, and one year teaching writing at the college-level. Any chance I could hope for anything more than an entry-level job in Japan. From everything I've gathered on the forum, it sounds like the market there is really right, and that university teaching requires a Ph.D. (preferably with publications). Thanks. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:12 am Post subject: |
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I have never met nor heard of anyone who has, but at the very least you should expect to be able to quite easily attain at 250,000+ job. |
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kah5217
Joined: 29 Sep 2012 Posts: 270 Location: Ibaraki
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:48 am Post subject: |
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That J.D. is going to scare off some of the bigger companies from hiring you. They tend to think that the more educated someone is, the harder it will be for them to shove their methods on you. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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University teaching REQUIRES (usually) a related masters degree and publications. They often say PhD preferred. But realistically, people with a PhD in Applied Linguistics usually do it to get into teaching English native (or native-level) students in masters of applied linguistics or TESOL courses.
There are SOME people who have a PhD looking to still teach the language. It seems many of them had university jobs in Japan and wanted to be able to continue to have university jobs in Japan, and so they went the PhD route. Because one or two people have done this, now universities are saying it's 'preferred'. The way they advertise for new hires is a way of advertising how great they are to other schools. Many schools care far, far too much about what other schools think of them, it seems.
With a JD and an MBA you can definitely get a better than bottom rung position- especially if you can add some Japanese language ability to it. A university job (other than through maybe Westgate or something like that) may not really be a realistic option, though. Look into private high schools. Many of them are through dispatch companies (especially in the Kanto region {where Tokyo is}). After working in Japan a while, then look at getting a direct hire position.
There are really great jobs that are ALT positions. You are called an "ALT" but actually you are the same as any other teacher (in responsibility- lesson, syllabus planning, assessing, discipline etc- but not in pay or title!) but you are called "ALT". Likewise, there are language school positions that may be really great as well- and they usually require more in the way of qualifications and pay more as well. |
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timothypfox
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 492
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:13 am Post subject: |
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I knew of two teachers in Japan who had JDs and they ended up working for Eikaiwa's. One of them changed jobs and managed to get a terminal paid internship at a law office with about Eikaiwa pay and complained that her supervising staff kept stealing her work and taking credit for it... |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:07 am Post subject: |
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If you have no Japanese language ability, I'd be very surprised if you manage to get anything above an entry level, albeit better than average, job. |
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marley'sghost
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 255
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:16 am Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
If you have no Japanese language ability, I'd be very surprised if you manage to get anything above an entry level, albeit better than average, job. |
You gotta look at the "entry level" job as just that, entry. None of the dispatchALT/eikaiwa companies expect you to stick around for a long time anyways. If you are wanting to work in Japan, take what gets you your visa and network once you get here. |
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qwertyu2
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 93
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with the posters above. With some language ability you might be able to leverage your M.B.A. / J.D. into something better than entry-level work. However, entry-level is still probably your best best. Not sure why someone with an M.B.A. and a J.D. would lower himself to that. But good luck all the same. |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 9:17 am Post subject: |
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qwertyu2 wrote: |
Not sure why someone with an M.B.A. and a J.D. would lower himself to that. |
This is what you're going to have to convince an employer about in order to find a job. |
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ssjup81
Joined: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 664 Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:39 am Post subject: |
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My former job is hiring again. I left in March. My replacement left after about three weeks (probably because he had such a long commute). It's Eikaiwa work though. There's an ad on Gaijinpot about it. |
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timothypfox
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 492
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:25 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking about this again. With a law degree, you might have a chance to teach business English. Some of these jobs are reasonably paid. I suggest Ohayo Sensei as another source, and occasionally TESOL.org posts business English jobs (although they largely post academic jobs). |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 557 Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Once in a while you'll see that a specific department in a university is hiring their own English teachers. I remember a few years ago a law department at one university in Tokyo looking for an English teacher. It's not unusual for departments to hire their own EFL teachers and they want them to have a background in that specific field. Most are contract, non-renewable, but some are also tenured. For example, a few months ago, I saw an announcement by Keio University's pharmacy department looking for their own English teachers.
There are no rules here when Japanese universities hire foreign EFL teachers. Just rough guidelines. You throw your name into the hat like everyone else and keep your fingers crossed. More often than not, the type of people hired can come as a bit of surprise. |
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arrow
Joined: 10 Apr 2013 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the help, everyone. To answer one question, you have no idea what the legal market is like right now. $40,000 - 50,000 a year job on $200,000 loans just isn't going to cut it. As poor as I would be in Japan, I would be much poorer (and for much longer) States-side. |
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rtm
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 1003 Location: US
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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arrow wrote: |
$40,000 - 50,000 a year job on $200,000 loans just isn't going to cut it. As poor as I would be in Japan, I would be much poorer (and for much longer) States-side. |
You won't find many eikaiwa or ALT jobs that pay $40,000-$50,000, at least at what the exchange rate is now (and it's not going in a direction that is favorable to you if you're paying back loans in US$).
If you need to make more than $50,000/year (over 42万円/mo), and need to pay back loans in US$ at the current exchange rate, I think you're not going to find much that you are qualified for. If anything, you're going to need to look for the very high-end business/legal English jobs (and I'm not sure if they pay that much even).
Japan isn't exactly known for its low cost of living, either. Although there are ways to make it cheap, it's still quite a bit more expensive than living in similar places in the US (i..e, Japanese large city vs. US large city; Japanese small town vs. US small town). |
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qwertyu2
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 93
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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arrow wrote: |
Thanks for the help, everyone. To answer one question, you have no idea what the legal market is like right now. $40,000 - 50,000 a year job on $200,000 loans just isn't going to cut it. As poor as I would be in Japan, I would be much poorer (and for much longer) States-side. |
Actually, I have heard about the U.S. legal market. Law school on student loans has been a sucker's bet for the last four or five years. Unfortunately, most people outside the legal field do not understand this and will see you as overqualified. If I were you, other than for specialized law or business related positions, I would leave the J.D. off my resume for jobs in Japan.
As rtm noted above, I doubt there are any entry-level TEFL jobs in Japan that will pay $40,000 -- $50,000/year. I think $30,000 -- $40,000/year is the best you can hope for, and even that is probably too optimistic. Rtm's points about the falling yen and high costs of living in Japan are also credited. Even if you were to land an entry-level position that paid the numbers you quoted, I'm not sure how you're going to be able to service $200,000 worth of debt. Japan is an expensive place to live and the yen is only going to weaken against the dollar long-term, effectively increasing your debt vs. your yen salary.
If I were in your situation, I think I would pass on Japan and investigate whether an M.B.A./J.D. combination and some TEFL experience would be worth anything in the Middle East. |
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