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mcloo7
Joined: 18 Aug 2009 Posts: 434 Location: Hangzhou
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:11 am Post subject: What happens if you really dont like your job |
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It's nice to have an exit strategy. So if you get to China, do your job for a while and really don't like it, can you quit and look for a job at another school? As long as you follow the protocol written into your contract, such as giving a month's notice, is it doable to find a more suitable job for yourself and leave your current school? |
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Javelin of Radiance

Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1187 Location: The West
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:58 am Post subject: |
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The best way to make sure you like your job is to do enough research on the place before you get there. It likely isn't going to be perfect and things are gonna go wrong and you're going to have to deal with it. Accept that fact and try to enjoy it. If it becomes so unbearable then you quit, but what makes you think the next job is going to be any better? The learning curve here is steep. Some people just aren't cut out for it. |
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roadwalker

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 1750 Location: Ch
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, agree with Javelin. No, it's not easy to quit and change jobs in the middle of what should have been a year or near-year contract. I would be suspicious of the company that was considering hiring someone who just didn't like the job they came over to do.
It is possible that the boss, the working conditions, the living conditions will be so bad that quitting is appropriate, and sometimes research doesn't find it out before it is too late. But those must be pretty rare cases and they always seem to happen to a select few posters. Most of us plod through and vent but otherwise bide our time and change at the end of the contract (if we don't like where we are or there were major problems that weren't taken care of to our satisfaction).
If you do find yourself in a situation that you can't fix or abide, transferring can be relatively easy or extremely difficult depending on your soon to be ex-employer, your new employer and the province you are in. You may have to return to your home country and apply for a new z-visa. You may be able to transfer a Residence Permit to a new employer with the permission of the old employer. Not likely if the boss is that bad.
Just be patient, don't lose your temper, quietly insist on what was bargained for and be friendly. Most times the school or company will want to keep you happy and will try their best to fix problems (which will almost certainly crop up). Come with a positive attitude. |
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Simon in Suzhou
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 404 Location: GZ
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
The best way to make sure you like your job is to do enough research on the place before you get there. It likely isn't going to be perfect and things are gonna go wrong and you're going to have to deal with it. Accept that fact and try to enjoy it. If it becomes so unbearable then you quit, but what makes you think the next job is going to be any better? The learning curve here is steep. Some people just aren't cut out for it. |
Disagree with this tremendously. Not all jobs are equal, and not all employers are honest and up-front...ESPECIALLY if you are being hired from overseas. It is much easier to research a new job from inside the country. Some jobs are just not good.
My first job in China my employer forgot to mention that i would commute around Guangzhou to 3-4 schools per day...adding 3 hours on average to my workday! Oops! None of the glowing reports from the current employees mentioned this either. After a couple of months I put in my 30 day notice according to the contract, found a MUCH better job, and lived happily ever after. You are not a slave. It is entirely reasonable to quit a job and take another job. This does not make you a failure or someone not "cut out for" teaching in China. Some jobs are not worthy of keeping a professional teacher. |
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Simon in Suzhou
Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Posts: 404 Location: GZ
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:05 am Post subject: |
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As a caveat, i will say there is a difference between "not liking" a job you've chosen, and being dealt with dishonestly and unprofessionally. |
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xiguagua

Joined: 09 Oct 2011 Posts: 768
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, if you just don't like it there, you should kinda suck it up, but if the school is incredibly unprofessional and treats you like crap, well, they get whats coming to them when they have to replace the foreign teachers every 3 months. And there are plenty of those schools around...... |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Simon in Suzhou wrote: |
Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
The best way to make sure you like your job is to do enough research on the place before you get there. It likely isn't going to be perfect and things are gonna go wrong and you're going to have to deal with it. Accept that fact and try to enjoy it. If it becomes so unbearable then you quit, but what makes you think the next job is going to be any better? The learning curve here is steep. Some people just aren't cut out for it. |
Disagree with this tremendously. Not all jobs are equal, and not all employers are honest and up-front...ESPECIALLY if you are being hired from overseas. It is much easier to research a new job from inside the country. Some jobs are just not good.
My first job in China my employer forgot to mention that i would commute around Guangzhou to 3-4 schools per day...adding 3 hours on average to my workday! Oops! None of the glowing reports from the current employees mentioned this either. After a couple of months I put in my 30 day notice according to the contract, found a MUCH better job, and lived happily ever after. You are not a slave. It is entirely reasonable to quit a job and take another job. This does not make you a failure or someone not "cut out for" teaching in China. Some jobs are not worthy of keeping a professional teacher. |
I disagree with the 'forgot to mention' Simon.
Always include a question about teaching on the one campus and where the accom is in relation to said campus.
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GreatApe
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 582 Location: South of Heaven and East of Nowhere
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Simon in Suzhou wrote:
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My first job in China my employer forgot to mention that i would commute around Guangzhou to 3-4 schools per day...adding 3 hours on average to my workday! Oops! None of the glowing reports from the current employees mentioned this either. After a couple of months I put in my 30 day notice according to the contract, found a MUCH better job, and lived happily ever after. You are not a slave. It is entirely reasonable to quit a job and take another job. This does not make you a failure or someone not "cut out for" teaching in China. Some jobs are not worthy of keeping a professional teacher. |
+1 ... I completely agree. Yes, the forums are useful. Yes, you can get advice from people in China or in the city where you're hoping to work or at the school that you're thinking of working at, but at the end of the day, it all comes down to experience (and money).
You won't actually know what it's like to work for the administrators and staff until you get there and begin working. You won't actually know how good, friendly or reliable your colleagues are until you get there and find out for yourself, and you won't know how flexible or inflexible the situation is until you are in the middle of it.
On the money side ... it can both solve and lead to many problems. Some of the worst students at the I.S. where I work are dependable, consistent, on-time tuition payers. They have no intention of learning English and they are not good students, but they pay on time and my school won't get rid of them. At the same time, the school won't answer my questions as to how these students are supposed to pass and eventually graduate, let alone get to a university overseas. Having said that, I make a very good salary to "put up with" (and try to solve) these kinds of problems and I try my best to work the system from the inside and bring about some changes.
My advice? Try your best to follow the contract and give 30 days notice if you find yourself in a miserable job that you hate. At the same time, don't let the stress become too great or let the job impact your health in a negative way. If that happens, leave! Be flexible and friendly as much as you can and don't let your frustration or temper get the best of you too often. If you feel you are being taken advantage of, then work the contract, finish the job, and leave the school.
It took me roughly two years of living and working here to get the job I have now, which is certainly not without it's problems, but is a major improvement over the first two jobs I held. Work the system: be professional, try not to get taken advantage of, and decide for yourself what your goals are, what is negotiable to you and what is not -- then stick to your decisions, try to be consistent and do the best you can to make it work. If it's not working, move on.
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Simon in Suzhou wrote: |
As a caveat, i will say there is a difference between "not liking" a job you've chosen, and being dealt with dishonestly and unprofessionally. |
Agree 100%
The problem is that many new teachers / new to China people are woefully underprepared in terms of the general standard of living, underprepared in terms of doing their job, and struggle with many things in their day to day life. Its easy to find hordes of people who 'haven't liked' their job on that basis.
Although to some degree ... Id rather someone like that leave the job pretty sharpish too ... certainly if they are from my staff room anyway. |
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