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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, if the school doesn't send you the documents needed (1. Working Permit;2.Visa Notification Letter) for a z-visa (employment visa) and instead asks you to come over on a tourist or business visa, you should consider the idea that everything else they tell you is a lie. In any event, if you come over on less than an employment visa, you are setting yourself up for a bad experience. It's a great situation for the employer, though.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like the school is just telling you what you want to get you over here and working.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Non Sequiter: I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for something. The worst that can happen is that someone says no or they don't even respond. That's okay, and it's definitely their right. However, I'd rather ask than not know if it's something I really want. You'd be surprised that sometimes, you get a "yes". I've learned from experience and know other teachers who have made requests and have gotten a "yes" for things that others just assumed were set in stone or not even a thought.

Great reasoning - for anywhere but China.
Your assumption is that what they say 'yes' to, will be delivered.
Even if your school could fit a bathtub into your apartment bathroom the hot water supply wouldn't stretch to a 5cm filling.
Note that your apartment 'bathroom' is also the toilet and laundry as well as shower area.
You may hit the jackpot and get these things but in all likelihood you will be disappointed.
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
....Your assumption is that what they say 'yes' to, will be delivered.
Even if your school could fit a bathtub into your apartment bathroom the hot water supply wouldn't stretch to a 5cm filling.
Note that your apartment 'bathroom' is also the toilet and laundry as well as shower area.
You may hit the jackpot and get these things but in all likelihood you will be disappointed.


chinese typically have teensy-weensy itty-bitty bathrooms and kitchens.

in the kitchen, you would get about a meter of counter space. with your
'lectric cooker and coffee maker and drying rack and spice jars, there's
barely room to make a sandwich. floor area is less than 3 square meters.
the refrigerator lives in the living room....next to the washing machine.

the bathroom is a clone size-wize...........about 3 meters. the sink will
be suspended over the squattie, shower head positioned such that you
will straddle the squattie while showering. bathroom door swings over
the squattie. it's a tight squeeze. if they get you a plastic bath tub,
you can expect either an inflatable kiddie swimming pool or a large plastic
bucket. your "bathtub" will also live in the living room. have fun carrying
buckets of lukewarm solar-heated water....assuming it ain't a cloudy day.

what....you expect them to plumb in your plastic tub? hahahha.
now have fun ladling the dirty water into the squattie.


and, yes, you can ask for anything. they can say yes or no to anything.
but if you get a "yes," be sure to include it in the schools amendment to
the standard contract. fao's and managers come and go. this fao
promised you something, the next one may not know about it.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

roadwalker wrote:
OP, if the school doesn't send you the documents needed (1. Working Permit;2.Visa Notification Letter) for a z-visa (employment visa) and instead asks you to come over on a tourist or business visa, you should consider the idea that everything else they tell you is a lie. In any event, if you come over on less than an employment visa, you are setting yourself up for a bad experience. It's a great situation for the employer, though.


This is the key post in this thread I think.

Everything else is BS really ... Everything really starts with a genuine employer offering a legit visa. Roadwalker is right on the money ... if the employer isnt prepared to even start off on the correct and legal footing, everything else is meaningless and cant be taken as being truthful. Paying airfare upfront for an unknown quantity, assuring you you'll get the classes you want etc etc. All classes have the technology you are asking about? Impossible ... they have already said they are going to ship you out to other places ... aint no way they can promise other schools have that tech in place.

This sound very much like an accident waiting to happen IMHO.
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lemak



Joined: 19 Nov 2011
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
in the kitchen, you would get about a meter of counter space. with your 'lectric cooker and coffee maker and drying rack and spice jars, there's barely room to make a sandwich. floor area is less than 3 square meters.


A curse of a thousand fistulas upon whatever genuis designed my kitchen with the cupboard barely a meter above the sink guaranteeing you'll smack your head into the thing at least a couple of times whenever you wash the dishes.

Only real options are to either a)- position yourself under it like some Rickets-addled old grandma which after about 3 minutes feels like someone has stuck a screwdriver into your spinal column. Or b)- get the wife to kindly do it.
A combination of option (b) and regular use of plastic cups and cutlery usually wins out.
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ttgirl



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the recent feedback!

@ Roadwalker and Denim-Maniac: The employer has agreed to send the documents for the z-visa.

@ Wangdaning: I certainly understand your point. It's happened to me and others I've known before in other countries, including the U.S. Even in one country, a co-worker with the same company, was laughed at about what was promised her before she came. However, what was told me before I arrived was kept. I'm not sure if it was because I made it clear and asked to make sure during interviewing or not (as well as asking to speak to a teacher there). Not everyone is truthful. You have their word but whether they keep it or not is up to them.

@ Non Sequitur: The bathroom sounds like the same set-up I had in Korea with the bathroom there being a nice size. Actually, the public school has also said that they would get a tub for me as well, but also mentioned the same concern that you mention about getting enough hot water to the tub, but they said that they would work something out, especially since there's quite a bit of time before I would need to arrive there.

@ Choudoufu: I haven't seen the bathroom but have of the rest of the apartment. Hot water is supposed to be available 24 hours. The kitchen has a small dining area and has a separate but small living room area. The refrigerator is in the kitchen. Thankfully, the counter seems a bit longer with several electronic items able to fit on it. There's also another counter type space/piece of furniture next to the table on the opposite side, as well. There's a lot of cabinet space as well, almost reminds me of my old Korean apartment.
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