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Non Sequitur
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| maximmm wrote: |
Is it possible that this could be a case of a recruiter that is offering a rather low pay and is frustrated because he often receives generic/poorly written resumes from dodgy applicants (who are willing to work for the low pay)?
Yet, when experienced/highly qualified applicants send in their resumes, they often ask for a higher wage?
At least that would explain the type of language used in the original post.
All in all, it appears to be a hiring manager's vent, rather than a helpful advice. |
It IS helpful advice and you would get the same thing from the HR Dept of any company in your home country. |
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Mr. Leafy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I have a question below for other people involve in hiring but first a few replies;
| maximmm wrote: |
| Is it possible that this could be a case of a recruiter that is offering a rather low pay and is frustrated because he often receives generic/poorly written resumes from dodgy applicants (who are willing to work for the low pay)? [snip] All in all, it appears to be a hiring manager's vent, rather than a helpful advice. |
No, I am a teacher working at a school, not a recruiter. I think even a brief look at my other posts over the past year would have shown this.
And we pay well. That is why we expect good work from our people.
| choudoufu wrote: |
| 1. elementary school? i can't imagine anyone listing elementary school on a resume. are you sure that wasn't one of their prior teaching positions? or were you hyperbolisizing? |
By the time you posted this I had already said twice that it happens. The post was inspired by things I have seen this hiring cycle.
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| I was just wondering if the OP was using this as a "look at me" moment. "I am doing the hiring!" or really trying to give constructive advice. |
Why would I do this?? It would be like bragging that I use a chalkboard and give tests in my job. Everywhere I�ve worked has involved FTs in the hiring. I�m experienced and so over the years I�ve had a growing role. So what? It�s just part of the job, nothing to brag about.
And since on this site most people don�t know each other face-to-face, what would be the benefit of bragging anyway? Who do you think I�d be bragging to?
Well, that�s done.
Here�s my question for other people who are also involved with hiring;
What do you think when you ask applicants to send a resume and they send a link to a place you can find it online?
I�ve seen a few of these this year. (Last year I was with family and not working and I don�t recall seeing them two years ago.) A few times it has been a regular text-based resume but one looked more like an info-graphic showing the different areas of experience and skills. I follow these links (when they work - one didn�t) but I have former co-workers who would have just said �fek it� and not bothered.
I�m not ancient but I�m older than most applicants. I like simplicity but I�m no luddite but I think this is weird. Send a resume means just that. If this is the way of the future I suppose I'll get used to it, but I hope it's not.
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JamesD
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| Mr. Leafy wrote: |
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What do you think when you ask applicants to send a resume and they send a link to a place you can find it online?
.............I like simplicity but I�m no luddite but I think this is weird. Send a resume means just that. If this is the way of the future I suppose I'll get used to it, but I hope it's not.......... |
Have to agree with this.
1. We have the GFOC which means some sites are inaccessible. Even outside of China some companies limit what their employees can view/download. Also, you're just adding a time-wasting step to the recruiter's workload.
2. It's lazy. a) Showing the exact same resume to every employer. If you're qualified and serious, presentation of your experience will be tweaked for certain groups. b) You can attach your resume to an email just as fast as you can type a sentence with the link.
3. It's rude. "You want my resume? Go get it yourself." |
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Non Sequitur
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In all recruitment processes the first stages, are as much about 'avoiding being rejected', as 'being hired'.
Any laziness or sloppiness like that described, will be punished rather than being seen as cool or tech-savvy. |
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Voyeur
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| I've gone back and forth on this, but I think I'll only include a cover letter if it is specifically required. Otherwise, I'll write a short, simple e-mail that is at least partially customized. |
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GuestBob
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| Voyeur wrote: |
| I've gone back and forth on this, but I think I'll only include a cover letter if it is specifically required. Otherwise, I'll write a short, simple e-mail that is at least partially customized. |
I would concur with this, covering letter of polite email are both fine for most general positions at non-Western universities and schools.
On a general point though, the covering letter (or email) is not there to correct an out-of-date resume though. I have seen several resumes which note "Job X" as the last place of employment only to look at a covering letter which suggests that the candidate left "Job X" six months ago and is now doing "Job Y". |
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Voyeur
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| I actually think a simple, polite e-mail that is somewhat customized, is probably better than a formal cover letter as an attachment when a cover letter hasn't been requested. I'm not certain, but my intuition tells me to keep my document/attachment count down and be as sleek as possible. |
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Non Sequitur
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Email cover letter is better than a Word attachment as it hits the reader right off without having to scratch around the attachments.
The most important thing is that cover letter enables you to interpret your situation and experience for the reader rather than they piece it together themselves.
If you don't use one then a para 'Career Summary' P1 top of your CV will do.
I've done recruitment in organisations of a few thousand employees and in private practice and I RECOMMEND a cover letter. |
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