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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:44 am Post subject: Teachers marry former students. |
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How many know HS Japanese Teachers married to their former students?
How does society view student/teacher relationships?
And how many of you date your students? How many would admit it?
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Teachers marry former students. |
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Sweetsee wrote: |
How many know teachers married to former students?
How does society view student/teacher relationships?
Cheers,
S |
I only know one person who married his student (university). They got engaged after she graduated.
At universities and most colleges at least, fraternisation, even if you marry them, is a firing offence, not to mention schools wanting teachers to avoid issues of favoritism.
At the universities I have taught at, sexual harassment of students is a big concern. (probably OK if both are willing to socialise but I dont think the school sees it that way) |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:35 am Post subject: |
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My uni is also pretty paranoid about any hint of sexual harassment. We all had to rearrange our offices so that nothing could visually block the view from the little window in our door. Better be safe than sorry and harassment can go both ways. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Teachers marry former students. |
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Sweetsee wrote: |
How many know HS teachers married to former students?
How does society view student/teacher relationships?
Cheers,
S |
High school teachers? You are talking getting to know a 15 and 16 year old girl by a man 15-20 years older than her. Must rank up there with being a suspected child molester or a stalker or at worst a pedophile. (forget the statutory age of consent here- a 15 year old is still a kid) |
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Mike L.
Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 519
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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I know a school teacher at a prestigeous girls JHS/SHS in Tokyo who married a former student who he intially taught in JHS.
He's about 50 something she's about 25.. This guy is a real parasite who was hired in the bubble and is buck lazy!!!
He does virtually nothing all day. He doesn't even attempt to teach. He has the children drawing a comic book all term. Truely pathetic!!
The school just hasn't been able to get rid of him. He threatened to sue them if they did since he's been there so long!!!
If they had a little more courage they could mange it I'm sure!!
As an ALT I also taught with one Japanese teacher who also married a former student he taught in JHS.
The offical story was that they met "again" after she finished high school but nobody believes that!!
What I don't unfederstand is where are the fathers in this equasion?
If it were my daughter I'd say "Go away or you will dissapear!!!"
I would be that up front about it... |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sweetsee,
Why do you want to know? |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:26 pm Post subject: reply |
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Glenski,
That's it? Why do you want to know?
I am interested in how to know how the relationships are perceived by others.
Presumably, the teacher was courting the student while under the teacher's charge and more than likely already married.
I believe it is taboo in some home countries.
Plus, I think it's weak that foreign teachers crack on to their students.
Cheers,
S
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:44 am Post subject: Re: reply |
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Sweetsee wrote: |
Glenski,
That's it? Why do you want to know? Answer a question with a question? Touchy subject maybe?
How many JTEs? It's not me if that's what you were wondering.
Plus, I think it's weak that foreign teachers crack on to their students.
Cheers,
S |
Just curious- when referring to JTE do you mean Japanese teachers of English i.e. japanese nationals or foreign JET and ALTs?
Not really for us to pass judgement on what Japanese adults do in their own country, I suppose, but I have seen Japanese university professors being busted and publicly prosecuted for sexual harassment of graduate female students.
Personally with the ubiquity of cellphones and the cliquey gossipy nature of Japanese school girls I would say an affair with a married teacher would be kept a secret among the school population for all of about 30 seconds. A foreign teacher who is married and has an affair with a student is just asking for trouble, least of all from his wife if she sues for divorce, and it will cost him dearly.
Foreigners have enough problems in high schools as it is with job contracts, lack of professional respect by peers etc without being seen preying on juveniles in their care. |
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Joannda
Joined: 07 Jun 2004 Posts: 43 Location: Japan!
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:37 am Post subject: |
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An interresting topic but surely not one that is limited to Japan? I have to admit it is a bit worrying if a 50 year old guy marries a 25 year old chick, but from what I could tell when I was in Japan in 2000, Japanese chicks are suckers for foreign guys, whether young, old, hot or ugly... Anyways, it happens here in NZ too though, and I'm sure no one can argue it doesn't happen where they come from? A girl I went to high school with started dating one of the Phys Ed teachers at our school, and they are still together now. Admittedly, the teacher did leave the school after a year. I also know of an ex-tutor at the uni where I tutor now, who started dating one of her students while she was still teaching him, and they are now married! I mean, who knows where you'll find 'the one' or whatever? I'm sure not all teachers who start a relationship with a student are pedophiles or whatever...? |
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sidjameson
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Things do seem to be different here.
I used to teach 4 very respectable upper (at least) middle class house wives. One day one told the class that her 18 year old daughter had a boyfriend. Her teacher from her high school. He is 26, I think.
On the surface at least I was the onl one who registered surprize. The other ladies actually took it as good news.
Again they "started" dating after she graduated. Two years later they are still together and happy. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Joannda
FWIW I come from New Zealand and when i was at university there was a rather famous woman (wont mention any names) who made a name for herself overseas and when she came back to New Zealand was apparently sleeping with the dean of Law school, who helped her get legal jobs I believe when she graduated. The dean at that time was in his 70's.
S___ happens and they are adults.
Obviously things get messy because of the power relationship, where a teacher is in control of a the students grades or their welfare and personal issues get mixed up with professional and education considerations. What happens about failing them or giving them a lower grade etc. Seeming favoritism etc can be problematic too.
How does one say no to a teacher's advances or vice-versa? At least with university students you are dealing with adults, but ultimately its the schools reputation and having to deal with parents, perhaps jealousy or resentment by other students and the resulting fallout etc.
Im sure alls fair in love and war and its great if a couple can find each other even if one is in high school, but to surrounding people it can be an unnecessary distraction and fraught with potential problems outside of the couple themselves. |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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one Japanese teacher I know married his former student.
He is a high school teacher. He comes from a rich family (family has a business in Nagoya).
To me it is pretty clear who the boss is: his wife.
They live in a nice suburb just ten minutes from Shibuya with lots of stores that sell expensive things from abroad (French clothes, etc.).
He told me yesterday that his wife ordered him to take the train two days a week instead of driving because he is starting to get fat. |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:55 am Post subject: reply |
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Paulh,
That'd be Japanese teacher.
Cheers,
S
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lajzar
Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 647 Location: Saitama-ken, Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Brooks wrote: |
He told me yesterday that his wife ordered him to take the train two days a week instead of driving because he is starting to get fat. |
Most people would do exercise rather than take a train if they were serious about losing weight.
This woman, she's no expert on health and nutrition is she? |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Yep, I've met a senior high school teacher who married his student and now has kids.
The concept of professional conduct is entirely different in Japan... That's all I can say. |
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