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mark_in_saigon



Joined: 20 Sep 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: facebook blocked again Reply with quote

Looks like facebook is blocked again. Zing news in the VN language has a story on it, apparently the govt is putting out the story that the young people are using it for decadent discussions, along with a slight hint of a political angle as well. I noticed that they could not get on starting on the same day that the Brazilians started rioting last week. Those riots had a social media component to them, which is pretty common now in these nations where the people are trying to rise up. My guess is the VN see that these kinds of sites are going to be an important part of the manifestation of political unrest worldwide, and so now is the time to try to block those kinds of sites. Of course, they have blocked fb in the past, only to let it come back up.

By the way, I have noticed that the BBC site is blocked in the south, but not in the north. Seems that has been the case for quite some time now. Hard to understand the logic on that.
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deadlift



Joined: 08 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was also a couple of bloggers arrested last week when I first noticed it was blocked again.

The other thing is that no one with half a clue will actually be prevented from using it, but they will be annoyed at the unnecessary hassle and be exposed to the gov's ineptitude.
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Tigerstyleone



Joined: 26 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can access FB through my computer, but not my mobile devices. I don't think they have the digital infrastructure or resources to completely block it from everyone in Vietnam.
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toiyeuthitmeo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've even had access problems using common proxy sites. One strange trick that works for now is that you can log in to your account on your laptop/desktop using facebook mobile site. Not very user friendly but works. At lest for me.

Anyone think that uncle sam's all seeing eye on facebook, phones, etc might also be a reason for recent clamp down?
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skarper



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been able to get on FB for a while. I could I suppose if I made the effort but frankly there is nothing on FB I want to see all that much - so it some ways it just saves me from wasting more time online than I already do.

I don't think this is the place to discuss the merits or demerits of FB blocking.
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think this is the place to discuss the merits or demerits of FB blocking.


Seems to me that govt censorship of the internet is just as relevant as a myriad of other subjects that affect us. Personally, I think FB is mostly a waste of time, but suppose for some it is not, and we all waste a certain amount of time.

BBC News being blocked is a lot more important to me. The better news sites are all starting to put up paywalls, and the BBC site is the best news site I know of that is still free. Funny how you can get it in the north, but not in the south.

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Anyone think that uncle sam's all seeing eye on facebook, phones, etc might also be a reason for recent clamp down?



Sure could be a factor, but the day the riots started in Brazil was the day it went down, which seems like more than just coincidence.
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kurtz



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark_in_saigon wrote:
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I don't think this is the place to discuss the merits or demerits of FB blocking.


Seems to me that govt censorship of the internet is just as relevant as a myriad of other subjects that affect us. Personally, I think FB is mostly a waste of time, but suppose for some it is not, and we all waste a certain amount of time.

BBC News being blocked is a lot more important to me. The better news sites are all starting to put up paywalls, and the BBC site is the best news site I know of that is still free. Funny how you can get it in the north, but not in the south.

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Anyone think that uncle sam's all seeing eye on facebook, phones, etc might also be a reason for recent clamp down?



Sure could be a factor, but the day the riots started in Brazil was the day it went down, which seems like more than just coincidence.


I think you should listen to skarpa. 40 bloggers taken this year should be warning enough that perhaps the internet is not the place to talk about government decisions and such. You'd have to be slightly naive in thinking Big Brother does not monitor this site.
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TRH



Joined: 27 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark_in_saigon wrote:
seems like more than just coincidence.
I have been frustrated for about a week because every time I try to access the US Postal System package tracking page I get a message that says "Access Denied." I can't believe it is censored. Maybe we are seeing the same thing and it really is coincidence.
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not possible for the government to stop its citizens from getting on facebook at this point. Every single one of my students uses it, and they all have downloaded programs that get them around the filters. I'm not just talking about city students either. I teach a few classes funded by NGOs with students from the poorest villages in Vietnam, and they all have facebook too.

I don't really know why they even bother anymore. Are they really that out of touch with their people?
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skarper



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something in Vietnam that doesn't make sense - quelle surprise!
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ExpatLuke wrote:
It's not possible for the government to stop its citizens from getting on facebook at this point. Every single one of my students uses it, and they all have downloaded programs that get them around the filters. I'm not just talking about city students either. I teach a few classes funded by NGOs with students from the poorest villages in Vietnam, and they all have facebook too.

I don't really know why they even bother anymore. Are they really that out of touch with their people?


If China can block FB off, so can Vietnam. If this FB thing get's out of hand, with bloggers and other's posting anti-govt rhetoric, I doubt FB will stay up and running for much longer in VN.

Anyways, I would be glad to see it gone, just another waste of time and a diversion from real life.
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If China can do it, then so can Vietnam? I beg to differ.
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't had any problem getting on Facebook or the BBC for over a year. Certainly not this week any time.
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Anh Dep



Joined: 16 Mar 2013
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Facebook seems to be a site where people want to post the most uninteresting,bland,uninformative rubbish. I really dont need to know that its raining at someones house and they are sad.Many young Vietnamese here ask me if I have Facebook, I just say I dont use it.
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1st Sgt Welsh



Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few posters have mentioned that they think Facebook is a waste of time etc. and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, I personally quite like Facebook and I log-in to it usually at least once a day.

As others have stated, it's not hard to get around the Facebook censorship. If you are interested, you can just do a search on YouTube and it will give you step-by-step guides on exactly how to circumvent it. In short, how to access Facebook here is not exactly a secret and, like deadlift said, the Government IMHO are just making fools of themselves with this policy.

Although the Facebook 'ban' doesn't affect me at all, to be honest, I don't particularly like being told what websites, books etc. I can and cannot access. Don't get me wrong, this policy doesn't surprise me in the least but, in my view, it is a sign of weakness, not strength and, the fact they can't even ban it effectively, just makes them look doubly ridiculous IMHO.
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