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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, my advice would be to gather with the other teachers and to talk about it...
The school won't hesitate to tarnish your reputation so, you don't have to hesitate either to talk about all the bad treatments and the terrible management you've witnessed there.
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks a little bit like "an eye for an eye", but you should keep in mind that you don't deserve to be torn apart just because you've been dealing with a slack team when you were working in the school...
You have the entire right to defend yourself too, and nobody has the right to decide whether or not you could continue to work as a teacher in the future.
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, I don't know why I have to split all my messages like this, but I can't post bulky messages at all!
Does anybody know why, btw?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scepticalbee wrote:
So, my advice would be to gather with the other teachers and to talk about it...
The school won't hesitate to tarnish your reputation so, you don't have to hesitate either to talk about all the bad treatments and the terrible management you've witnessed there.


This is terrible advice, please please don't follow it. No employer wants to employ someone who bad mouths their previous job, no matter how bad it was. A bad reference can be worked around, a bad reputation is a lot harder to shake.
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't advice her to bad mouth the school at all!
Maybe I wasn't clear enough but my idea was to talk with other teachers who underwent the same treatment and then to complain against the school to whoever is concerned by that.
She should avoid to stay alone as this would torn her apart even more.
However, the school will never hesitate to massacre your reputation as a teacher and if there is a bad mouthing, it always comes from the school's administrative team and not from the teachers themselves...
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santi84



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her 4th complaint was that the other teachers would not help her. If she tries to rally those same teachers to complain against the school, her reference will get a lot worse Confused If they won't help her when she's a co-worker, how do you figure they will rally with her after she left and endanger their own jobs/references too?

nomad soul's original advice was spot-on.
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi again, Santi,
The fact that Nomad Soul's post was spot-on is good, really.
But I can also give my personal viewpoint as well. (if you don't mind of course, Santi...)
Now, she has to defend herself in any possible way.
Letting things go doesn't help and applying to far, far away places as advised by Nomad Soul won't help as well... Schools do contact each other especially if they're located in the same country and Skype exists now for the schools located in other time zones.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scepticalbee wrote:
Letting things go doesn't help and applying to far, far away places as advised by Nomad Soul won't help as well... Schools do contact each other especially if they're located in the same country and Skype exists now for the schools located in other time zones.

Go back to my original post; you missed the part where I said to draft a new resume/CV omitting School A.
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: bad reference-what to do... Reply with quote

[quote="nomad soul"]
inotu-unotme wrote:

You have a couple of options:
    Option 1: Apply in another town---one that's far, far away. Draft a new resume/CV omitting School A.

Hi Nomad soul, thanks for your reply.
I'm sorry for insisting this way, but you gave two options in that post.
This was the first one and...


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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: bad reference-what to do... Reply with quote

[quote="nomad soul"]
inotu-unotme wrote:
Option 2: Don't wait for prospective employers to ask about School A during interviews; stay ahead of your interviewer by bringing it up yourself and stating it wasn't a good fit and that things didn't work out. [...][/list]
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking of taking a CELTA, and criticizing the advice of teachers who have been in the field for years - do consider that employers read these forums. And there are always clues even to those of us who post anonymously.

I really know people who haven't gotten positions, or even interviews, because of posts here - Dave's is pretty influential.
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that was the second one...
(I'm sorry, I have posting problems...)
I don't agree with both of them because i think that the school wouldn't appreciate the fact that, either you dissimulate a teaching experience (why? suspicious...) or you don't want to talk about the problematic school especially when they got a bad reference about you (why? suspicious...)
This is only my opinion, though...
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Spiral, thank you for your post.
I'm not criticizing anybody in here and I don't know where you got this impression from...
I'm just trying to discuss a point, while sharing my personal viewpoint with others, that's all...
Now, I don't understand why you seem to be threatening me of making me be a jobless teacher for the rest of my life... This is not really a positive attitude too, and I don't think that Dave is a dictatorial guru of some gloomy sect either, so...


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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Now, I don't understand why you seem to threaten me to be jobless for the rest of my life... This is not really a positive attitude too, and I don't think that Dave is a dictatorial guru of some gloomy sect either, so...


I haven't threatened you 'to be jobless.' I've only said that as a non-native English speaker with (in the future) a CELTA, you can still only go where you have a legal right to live/work - a CELTA won't open the visa doors as it's an entry-level qualification. You'd be perfectly able to compete on any job market which hires non-native speakers, and where you have an automatic legal right to work.
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scepticalbee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Spiral, I already know that, thanks for the recall and for the help, really!
I've already told you that in my topic about Celta...
Now, another problem is discussed in here... What do you think about it? According to you, what would be the best attitude to have in such situations?
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