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hochhasd

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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:45 am Post subject: What is the going rate? |
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The FAO at my new uni asked me if I have taught little kids before. She is looking for her 6 year old daughter to pick up where she left off as the girl's school no longer has an English Teacher. I don't mind doing it once a week,but I was wondering what the going rate is for a six year old?
The girl's friend may want tutoring also, but I would rather charge the FAO less than the other girl. How could this be done if I happen to tutor the daughter at the same time as the friend? |
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vikeologist
Joined: 07 Sep 2009 Posts: 600
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:22 am Post subject: |
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People usually say the going rate is 150-200 per hour. That's been the going rate for the 4 years I've been in China. I sort of think 150 is the norm, and to be honest, it is a lot of money. On the other hand, a lot of parents will take pride in paying a foreign teacher a large amount of money per hour, so don't be shy.
Perhaps you can factor in whether it will be for an hour or an hour and a half, and the travelling time involved. If you say 150 per hour, provided its for 90 minutes, that should be a fair enough price, and with the FAO, stick to the 150, but offer 90 minutes for 200. Don't lower the money you get; just offer to do more. |
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hochhasd

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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:48 am Post subject: |
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vikeologist wrote: |
People usually say the going rate is 150-200 per hour. That's been the going rate for the 4 years I've been in China. I sort of think 150 is the norm, and to be honest, it is a lot of money. On the other hand, a lot of parents will take pride in paying a foreign teacher a large amount of money per hour, so don't be shy.
Perhaps you can factor in whether it will be for an hour or an hour and a half, and the travelling time involved. If you say 150 per hour, provided its for 90 minutes, that should be a fair enough price, and with the FAO, stick to the 150, but offer 90 minutes for 200. Don't lower the money you get; just offer to do more. |
To be honest with you I would rather tutor for 45mins . What is the rate for that amount of time? If she wants an hour what is the rate for that amount of time?
How do I charge her less than the daughter's friend if both of them will have a lesson at the same time? |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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A lot depends on where you live I think.
In Qingdao I charge no less than 400 for a 50 minute class and a minimum of an hour and a half per week. That is for a maximum of 6 students. Every additional student is 65/hour. That's for classes with 7-10 year old kids, I have zero prep work and plenty of copies of the books I use which they buy from me.
Have other classes where I must do prep work since the kids are older and that's 200 a head for 50 minutes. I cut one of the kids a break since they brought me 2 other students at that price. The way I handle it is they all pay the same rate, at the end of the month I give a fair chunk back to one of the Moms. IMO...you should never ever give any discount in advance.
Honestly, I hate teaching kids between 12-19 so I charge them a lot. I don't really want the classes but won't refuse 200/head. |
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rogerwilco
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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I am charging 250 per hour here in Fujian for tutoring a class of
three 14 year olds.
I would charge even more for 6 year olds because I find them to be more tiring.
Have the FAO arrange the class and collect the money from the other parent.
The FAO can add a lessor amount before she passes the money on to you.
Have the FAO use an envelope if she must give the money to you in front of the other parent. |
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zactherat
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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hochhasd I think vikieologist's post was pretty enlightening. If people are offering you good money for services, it would be a good idea to figure out how to make that tenable. What you seem to be doing is trying to figure out how to make it untenable.
Charging one student more than the other because you don't like their parent's job?
reducing the suggested timeframe?
If you don't want to do it, just say no. No need to come wag your tail and start dry-humping the carpet. |
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hochhasd

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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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zactherat wrote: |
hochhasd I think vikieologist's post was pretty enlightening. If people are offering you good money for services, it would be a good idea to figure out how to make that tenable. What you seem to be doing is trying to figure out how to make it untenable.
Charging one student more than the other because you don't like their parent's job? reducing the suggested timeframe? I never said this, it is not about the other parents job. It is about me giving a break to my FAO because I work with her.
If you don't want to do it, just say no. No need to come wag your tail and start dry-humping the carpet. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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zactherat wrote: |
hochhasd I think vikieologist's post was pretty enlightening. If people are offering you good money for services, it would be a good idea to figure out how to make that tenable. What you seem to be doing is trying to figure out how to make it untenable.
Charging one student more than the other because you don't like their parent's job?
reducing the suggested timeframe?
If you don't want to do it, just say no. No need to come wag your tail and start dry-humping the carpet. |
Is there any way I can unthink that image?
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ecubyrd

Joined: 09 May 2009 Posts: 172
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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zactherat wrote: |
hochhasd I think vikieologist's post was pretty enlightening. If people are offering you good money for services, it would be a good idea to figure out how to make that tenable. What you seem to be doing is trying to figure out how to make it untenable.
Charging one student more than the other because you don't like their parent's job?
reducing the suggested timeframe?
If you don't want to do it, just say no. No need to come wag your tail and start dry-humping the carpet. |
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http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101474&highlight= |
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:02 am Post subject: |
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I think my employer must offer the best deal in China in terms of English teaching. Most of my students pay around 25 RMB per class, have the benefit of 3 different foreign teachers per day and enjoy social activities with free beer and snacks laid on. One of my classes this week has 5 students, the other has 7.
200 a head pays for a days tuition with food included in my place Im jealous of you guys making that kinda coin! |
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teachingld2004
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 389
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:04 am Post subject: teaching. |
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400 for a 50 minute class? I find that hard to believe.
Privates pay various rates depending on where you live. I even think 200 is high.
To make thing fair I would charge the same price. What you can do is give one hour for free or at half price if some one brings you another student.
I teach at a university, but teach in the kids school on the weekends (for more money of course) I also have a 6 yr old as a private student. I hate it. She is down right rude. She studied English with some one else for a year before I got her in October. I have no clue what the other person taught her, because she could only say "How are you, I am fine" and tell me her name.
She has her parents wrapped around her little finger and if she looks sad they give her everything she wants.
So, if you just want the money, teach a 6 yr old. It can go either way. |
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rogerwilco
Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 1549
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:19 am Post subject: Re: teaching. |
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teachingld2004 wrote: |
400 for a 50 minute class? I find that hard to believe.
Privates pay various rates depending on where you live. I even think 200 is high.
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In my 5 years in China, in 4 different cities, I have never been paid less than 200 an hour for privates.
The Chinese invented negotiating, they do not respect you if you accept the first offer. |
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ecubyrd

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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:29 am Post subject: |
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I prefer my off time to teaching on the side for a little bit of money. On that note, since it seems fair game to discuss these things on this forum (unlike the money making sister site) what are you guys charging per hour in Shanghai? |
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hochhasd

Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 422
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:53 am Post subject: Re: teaching. |
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teachingld2004 wrote: |
400 for a 50 minute class? I find that hard to believe.
Privates pay various rates depending on where you live. I even think 200 is high.
To make thing fair I would charge the same price. What you can do is give one hour for free or at half price if some one brings you another student.
I teach at a university, but teach in the kids school on the weekends (for more money of course) I also have a 6 yr old as a private student. I hate it. She is down right rude. She studied English with some one else for a year before I got her in October. I have no clue what the other person taught her, because she could only say "How are you, I am fine" and tell me her name.
She has her parents wrapped around her little finger and if she looks sad they give her everything she wants.
So, if you just want the money, teach a 6 yr old. It can go either way. |
I am located in a small city and the uni I teach at is the only one in the city. I have not met the child yet. I figure I would give a free 45 min lesson and see how the child acts. I will not have a child in my apt as I am a grown man and do not feel comfortable with it so I figure the campus library would be fine. The bottomline is the FAO will see how I teach after the first lesson with her daughter. If she likes me then I will charge her 125 for a 45 min lesson. I will have to come up with materials myself which is no problem being she is 6 years old. If the girls friend wants a lesson it will cost 150. I will not tutor more than two children. |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:17 am Post subject: Re: teaching. |
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teachingld2004 wrote: |
400 for a 50 minute class? I find that hard to believe.
Privates pay various rates depending on where you live. I even think 200 is high.
To make thing fair I would charge the same price. What you can do is give one hour for free or at half price if some one brings you another student.
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Maybe you need to reread what I wrote, or perhaps I was not clear. Those classes are not 400 a head.
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In Qingdao I charge no less than 400 for a 50 minute class and a minimum of an hour and a half per week. That is for a maximum of 6 students. Every additional student is 65/hour. That's for classes with 7-10 year old kids... |
It's roughly 65/head if there are 6 students. To add... if 6 students want a class it's 400. If 3 want a class it's also 400. Each additional student above 6 pays 65/hour. I am not sure how my wife explains this to the parents and I'm not sure how she collects the money...but I'm always paid what I should be...I think.
EDIT: Wife just told me I am an idiot. It's 360/hour for up to 6 kids and 60/hour for additional students. This is why she handles the money....
Being paid any other way does not work well imo. If each student pays you a set amount and you have 6 students...what happens to your income if only 4 attend class or one - three decide to not continue? Your income drops and potentially you can end up teaching one or two students at an insanely low rate. I used to charge 150/head for that age group but was not getting enough students. Now I have more than I can handle almost.
The advantages of teaching at a lower rate per head but a set minimum per class are many. Your income is not likely to change from week to week for the various reasons they can find to not attend. Sick/vacation/other class/whatever. The more students you have the more likely you are to have the parents bring you even more students which will often be enough to add a whole new class not only one or two kids. Also, this way the parents are pressured to find additional students for you if a student drops the class....they want to being paying the lowest possible amount. |
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