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[johntpartee]

Lotsa people do it with an F visa, but it's illegal.

[mw182006]

So much for that idea! Here's some interesting information published by KPMG that I came across on another forum:

Original report (4 pages total): http://www.kpmg.com/CN/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Newsletters/ChinaAlerts/Documents/china-alert-1306-12-visa-requirements-for-foreign-individuals.pdf

Converting F visas into F and M visas
Currently, F visas are issued for a period of up to six months to foreign citizens who are invited to the PRC for a visit, research, lecture, business, exchange in the field of science, technology, education, culture and sports, to attend various types of trade fairs or exhibitions and for short-term study and internships.The exposure draft proposes that a new M visa be introduced for visits by foreign nationals for business or trade purposes. Going forward, the F visa will only be issued to foreign visitors for non-commercial activities including scientific research, education, cultural exchange, health and sports activities.

Processing time for residence permit application/renewal
Currently, a Z visa holder is required to convert their visa to work and residence permits within 30 days of arriving in the PRC. The existing framework requires the authority to process applications for residence permits or renewals within five business days upon receipt of the application. This processing time will be extended to up to 15 calendar days once the new law is in force.

Illegal employment defined
The exposure draft clarifies situations which will constitute illegal employment under the new law, specifically:
• Engaging in employment in the PRC without a valid work permit and residence permit unless an exemption is obtained (irrespective of whether a formal labour contract exists between the individual and the employer or whether the individual is remunerated)
• Carrying out employment duties outside the working jurisdiction stipulated by the work permit
• Carrying out employment duties for an employer other than the one specified in the work permit
• Foreign students working beyond the scope and hours permitted under the student visa
• Z2 visa holders working beyond the scope of work approved by the authority.

[Non Sequitur]

mw182006.
Negotiate a late start. I've worked with people who did that.
One was a bridesmaid at sister's wedding.
One needed to get her US citizenship finalised so she could apply on a US passport.
Both were on deck though by end Sept.
Have an uneasy feeling with your proposal.

[Kysorb]

A further complication to getting the Z-visa with a HK trip will be getting a now more commonly required criminal check.

The rule is so new that every place seems to want different things and sometimes they require it to be certified in your home country.

[mw182006]

[U99A]

I arrived with a tourist visa and began working.
Less than a month later, my L (tourist) and was changed to a Z (working) visa.

I did not have to leave the country.

Really just "depends" on the city, company, and influence your employer has.

A mix of risk and luck.