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charlesmarlow
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I THINK and I am Vietnamese and own a language school, THEREFORE I AM honest and understand the recruitment and selection process.
I THINK and speak English, THEREFORE I AM an EFL teacher. |
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Oh My God
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No one at RMIT taught a demo lesson as part of their hiring, and RMIT teachers are not paid by the hour, nor is there any variation in salary within the pay scales.
I suspect OMG was trying to make a joke. |
No, if you're working for the academic side of RMIT - no demo. But I was working for (what we'd loosely call) the Corporate side. Businesses would contract out employee training and we would mostly go to the site to teach. At the time, entry level was $24 but they offered $26 for my (red hot, LOL) demo as the customers loved me.
Actually I've retained most of those customers for private classes.
Beat that! |
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charlesmarlow
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Actually I've retained most of those customers for private classes. |
Isn't that criminal activity since RMIT's contracts state that the EFL instructor cannot suborn its clients under any circumstance? |
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charlesmarlow
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| I need to apologise concerning the comment about criminal activity, I forgot about-When in Rome |
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Oh My God
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I need to apologise concerning the comment about criminal activity, I forgot about-When in Rome |
When in Rome... When in the USA... When in Brittan...
When in any other place in the World...! |
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LettersAthruZ
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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Location: North Viet Nam
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh My God wrote: |
| charlesmarlow wrote: |
| I need to apologise concerning the comment about criminal activity, I forgot about-When in Rome |
When in Rome... When in the USA... When in Brittan...
When in any other place in the World...! |
And, when in Rome, when in the USA, when in the U.K.......
....contracts are generally honoured by both parties with a legitimate civil litigation system in place for the damaged party to seek recompense.
HERE??
......errrrmmmm........ |
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Oh My God
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| LettersAthruZ wrote: |
| Oh My God wrote: |
| charlesmarlow wrote: |
| I need to apologise concerning the comment about criminal activity, I forgot about-When in Rome |
When in Rome... When in the USA... When in Brittan...
When in any other place in the World...! |
And, when in Rome, when in the USA, when in the U.K.......
....contracts are generally honoured by both parties with a legitimate civil litigation system in place for the damaged party to seek recompense.
HERE??
......errrrmmmm........ |
Honor, Integrity, Legitimate - I didn't make the rules that most of VN businesses follow, but I'm definitely cautious as that seems to be the norm for most BUT now I've surrounded myself with those that prefer honor as well.
Most of us that have worked for several schools have seen this time and time again - "why pay for it when you can steal it?"
I seem to live my life less and less under this stress but I'll always keep a wary eye out! |
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charlesmarlow
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Well, your latest message is now different than your previous message, and you now agree with When in Rome
On another issue, can you give us details on your demo lesson at RMIT- Who were the students? |
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Oh My God
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Well, your latest message is now different than your previous message, and you now agree with When in Rome
On another issue, can you give us details on your demo lesson at RMIT- Who were the students? |
Sorry but I thought I'd agreed with When in Rome on both.
The demo was at the job site but for RMIT and I'll plead the fifth to the customers. |
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kurtz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| When in Brittan? Where's that? Don't give me no typo or spelling Nazi comments, everyone stuffs up from time to time but that's not even close! |
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charlesmarlow
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| The demo was at the job site but for RMIT and I'll plead the fifth to the customers. |
I don't understand why you would have to plead the fifth to the customers.
If I understand it, you worked for RMIT delivering English courses to its clients. In your contract it stated that you cannot suborn RMIT's clients and in the contract between RMIT and the client, it stated that the client can't employ the teacher privately. Therefore, you would be taking the fifth to RMIT or the court, not the customer who would also be in the courtroom. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Remember there are posters on this site who have worked or have been working for RMIT for many years in both teaching and management positions. Regarding the demo lesson, the demo lesson that you were discussing has nothing to do with the original demo lesson discussion but thanks for the input. You were interviewed at RMIT and I suspect by Mr E. and others and following the interview you were offered a Corporate English language teaching position. Following that, one of RMIT's clients wanted a demo lesson from an RMIT teacher to determine if the teacher met the client's requirements etc. This is not always required by the client. You deliverd the demo lesson and the client was satisfied. RMIT also paid you for the demo lesson. Finally, I have never heard of RMIT increasing a teacher's hourly rate due to the results of a demo lesson. The hourly rate is agreed upon between RMIT and the teacher before any teaching is delivered and the rate will be the same for all corporate clients. This is standard practice at RMIT. The teacher may receive additional pay such as travel time but this depends on the location of the training. |
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vabeckele
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:18 pm Post subject: Real education |
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It seems funny to me I have learned more about law on this board than at 'home' - Two new words have been introduced: suborn and renege. I think if I were to read about life here in Vietnam I could confidently walk into a university and breeze a degree in law.
Alas, perhaps I am slow, but for me this is a telling sign of the climate of education and working conditions in Vietnam. |
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Oh My God
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The demo was at the job site but for RMIT and I'll plead the fifth to the customers. |
I don't understand why you would have to plead the fifth to the customers.
If I understand it, you worked for RMIT delivering English courses to its clients. In your contract it stated that you cannot suborn RMIT's clients and in the contract between RMIT and the client, it stated that the client can't employ the teacher privately. Therefore, you would be taking the fifth to RMIT or the court, not the customer who would also be in the courtroom. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Remember there are posters on this site who have worked or have been working for RMIT for many years in both teaching and management positions. Regarding the demo lesson, the demo lesson that you were discussing has nothing to do with the original demo lesson discussion but thanks for the input. You were interviewed at RMIT and I suspect by Mr E. and others and following the interview you were offered a Corporate English language teaching position. Following that, one of RMIT's clients wanted a demo lesson from an RMIT teacher to determine if the teacher met the client's requirements etc. This is not always required by the client. You deliverd the demo lesson and the client was satisfied. RMIT also paid you for the demo lesson. Finally, I have never heard of RMIT increasing a teacher's hourly rate due to the results of a demo lesson. The hourly rate is agreed upon between RMIT and the teacher before any teaching is delivered and the rate will be the same for all corporate clients. This is standard practice at RMIT. The teacher may receive additional pay such as travel time but this depends on the location of the training. |
Chuckmarlow talking : Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah , Blah, B-Blah
The point, so obviously, is that YOU adapt to the society in which you reside NOT the other way around. Duh!
And as I've stated before
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This is so typical of some of the Brits, if they can't out do you - they try to slam you and accuse you of lying
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Sorry I made you feel uncomfortable BUT just because you think you're well informed doesn't mean you know everything or every circumstance, also obviously!
BTW the spelling police caught me. I plead guilty!  |
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I'm With Stupid
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually I've retained most of those customers for private classes. |
Isn't that criminal activity since RMIT's contracts state that the EFL instructor cannot suborn its clients under any circumstance? |
It's usually a breach of contract. It's certainly not criminal. The punishment for breaching a contract is termination of the contract. Obviously, once you no longer have a contract with a school, you are free to poach any customers you want. It'd be like a hairdresser leaving a salon to go freelance and taking their clients with them. Nothing illegal or even vaguely immoral about it. |
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charlesmarlow
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Ok I agree that it is not a crime but the breach of a contract is one of the most common causes of lawsuits in a society where there is a judicial system
in place for such issues as in the USA, Canada, England etc. And of course it also includes termination of the contract. The example of the hairdresser and the comment about morality is very interesting and extremely subjective. |
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