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king kakipi
Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 353 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sweetsea; I am suprised at your suprise!!
Yes it is taboo and yes it is `wrong` (in MY opinion I hasten to add; I see it as an abuse of power, even if it is between adults at Uni) but I am NOT suprised it happens.
In my time as a school student (way back) in the (19!)80s, in the UK; I saw it happen:- a teacher(M) and a student(F) were always together after school (she was `helping with the books`). Teachers that were told, dismissed it as gossip. Within 2 months of her graduating he had PURCHASED the house next door to hers and later that year they got engaged. In the end she broke the engagement but nonetheless.....
It has always happened, and always will I think.....in virtually every country where some students have crushes on teachers; and some older men enjoy the attention from students that they probably DIDN`T enjoy when they, themselves, were students!! |
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ntropy

Joined: 11 Oct 2003 Posts: 671 Location: ghurba
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I (male) married my Japanese teacher (female) while living in Japan.
Are we both evil? Condemned to hell? Shocking examples to young people of depravity? |
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Lynn

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 696 Location: in between
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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A classmate of a friend was 3rd year junior high and got pregnant by her teacher. After she graduted they got married. I asked my friend if people looked down on this and she said no because they got married. |
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joncharles
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 132 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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About six-months after we graduated from High School, my classmates and I were totally surprised when our beloved English teacher suddenly, divorced his wife and married one of our classmates. She was 18 and he was 36 at the time. They are still together after all these years... This may be a case of true love that transcends age. No indication that the romance was going on before graduation. I won't judge them as I knew both fairly well as as far as any of us knows, they did not start dating until after he and his wife filed for divorce.
I know in Japan a professor/instructor -student relationship in a university and high school is not acceptable. Still I knew some JET and ALT's who used to go to student parties on invitation. The Eikaiwa schools and many private English schools in Japan (except NOVA) encourage outside socializing between students and teachers. However, I am sure that there are some limitations regarding the teachers and high school students. I myself have been invited by high school students to go out drinking with them... I politely refused. (common sense prevails) However, if a 25 year old woman asks me to go out drinking with her.. that is a different story..  |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:49 pm Post subject: reply |
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Ntropy,
Nobody ever said that.
Only curious about societies perceptions.
Cheers,
S |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Sweetsee,
Yes, that's all. Just a simple question, "Why do you want to know?" Do I have to ask a zillion in reply?
I see you have edited your post with that snooty little innuendo. Good for you, because you had no business writing that. My Japanese wife was never my student, and it was way off base for you to insinuate that, even in the loosest of terms.
To tell the truth, the reason I asked was twofold.
1. In an earlier thread, you suggested that you were going to do "research" on some interesting topic. I thought perhaps this was it.
2. More importantly, since you have been teaching in Japan for 15 years and have been in the public school system for a while, I was rather confused at why you had to ask. Again, it would seem to me that you are the one who should be answering, not asking, such things. With that in mind, care to elaborate on why you felt you had to ask? I mean, what have you learned in the last 15 years? |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: reply |
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Glenski,
I apologize.
1. I said I was envolved in a research project, not doing one. It has to do with EFL in Japan.
2. I ask the question to stimulate discussion. There are three cases, I know of, where HS teachers have wed their former students.
I was simply curious whether anyone else had any feelings on the matter.
I agree with a previous poster and consider it an abuse of power and unethical.
Also, as far as I know this is unique to Japan. Elsewhere, I have heard of uni instructors envolved with students but not HS.
I sincerely hope I haven't offended you in any way. I was merely surprised at the brevity of your response and felt perhaps this was a sensitive subject with you. Is it?
Do you have an opinion or is it a topic that "doesn't warrant a reponse, from you anyway?"
Cheers,
S
The only thing I know for sure is that I know nothing at all. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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I ask the question to stimulate discussion. There are three cases, I know of, where HS teachers have wed their former students.
I was simply curious whether anyone else had any feelings on the matter. |
What feelings have you heard/not heard on this topic in the 15 years of living/working in Japan? Again, I find it odd that you would ask such a thing.
No, this is not a sensitive topic with me. Other have pretty much stated the same opinions that I hold. |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:05 am Post subject: reply |
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Glenski,
I have found that it is common in Japan.
And not the least bit surprising to me.
I don't recall you giving your opinion.
Or was it that it is none of your business what your co-workers do in their private lives with your students?
Cheers,
S |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Others have pretty much stated the same opinions that I hold. |
Aside from my original typo, what is it about this sentence that you don't understand? Why should I write volumes when this simple sentence will do? |
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: reply |
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Glenski wrote
"Others have pretty much stated the same opinions that I hold."
Aside from reading every post again, how am I to ascertain your opinion?
Forgive my asking, but all previous posts I have read of yours were always informative and to the point. Yet, you don't care to give an opinion here.
Perhaps, your opinions are your own and not relevant to this forum?
Well then, are you enjoying this wonderful summer solstice day?
Any celebrations on tap in your neck of the woods?
All the best Glenski,
S
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:12 am Post subject: Re: reply |
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Sweetsee wrote: |
Well then, are you enjoying this wonderfu summer solstice day? Any celebrations on tap in your neck of the woods?
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Not sure what it is like where you are, but I just went through a rockin typhoon a few hours ago. We just got walloped. All the schools were closed, including my own. Two Father's Days in a row for me! |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Geez, Sweetsee!
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Forgive my asking, but all previous posts I have read of yours were always informative and to the point. Yet, you don't care to give an opinion here. |
Why is it so important that I render an opinion? They are like belly buttons, anyway (everyone has one). Am I going to find myself being shoehorned into some personality corner with a label on me if I give mine? It's not so outrageous or outstanding. The simple fact is that I have been too busy to give you one, and I was more intent on finding out your purpose for asking (which you answered).
I don't condone sleeping with your current students. How's that? I don't care if you are in an eikaiwa or a high school, it's professionally wrong. If it's a high school student, it's probably illegal.
Marrying students, and FORMER students at that... well, now you just have to expand on that for the sake of clarity.
Assuming you are talking about adults (non-HS adults, that is), do you mean getting married just one day after you and the student stopped being teacher and student? A year? Since I don't agree with dating them while you are their teacher, I'd have to say that my statements imply you would have to start dating after you were teacher/student, and how long does it take for the average couple to decide on marriage? A year? More? My opinion is that after the teacher/student relationship has ended, and dating has begun, anything goes. But, this is just my opinion.
I was going to discuss age differences, but that's not really fair unless the teacher is very much older and seems to be out only for the sexual nature of the relationship, but even that is iffy. To each his own. I would hope that parents of HS kids would have some say in their kids marrying a foreigner quite a bit older, but we have seen that this is not always the case. So, I won't discuss this particular point further.
All of the points I have made fit Japanese teacher or foreign teacher, by the way. |
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Synne

Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 269 Location: Tohoku
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:26 am Post subject: Re: reply |
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Sweetsee wrote: |
The only thing I know for sure is that I know nothing at all. |
You technically wouldnt know for sure though if you know nothing at all, if you know nothing at all.
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Sweetsee

Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 2302 Location: ) is everything
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: reply |
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Thanks Glenski,
I understand now where you stand on the teacher/student relationship issue. And I'm with you 100%.
Cheers,
S
P.S. FWIW, I value your opinion. |
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