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cwinfiel



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject: Dispatch or job search on arrival? Reply with quote

Hi! I'm currently teaching in Korea for a third year and would like to move to Japan. I'm looking for a position as an ALT in a public school. I know this is early to post, but I like to plan everything out ahead of time. My contract finishes in January and then I'll go home for a month to visit family.

I plan on applying to dispatch companies like Altia or Interac, but I've heard a lot of negative things about them and other dispatch companies. Would it be better to just go to Japan and look while I'm there?

I'm from the USA, so I can't get a working holiday visa. I will also have enough funds saved up from Korea to be able to survive a few months in Japan and still have enough for start up costs.

I will have three years teaching experience at academies in Korea, as well as a CELTA. (If that's worth anything) I also have a BA in English.

Thank you for your help!
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rtm



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Dispatch or job search on arrival? Reply with quote

cwinfiel wrote:
I plan on applying to dispatch companies like Altia or Interac, but I've heard a lot of negative things about them and other dispatch companies. Would it be better to just go to Japan and look while I'm there?

If it were me, I would rather have a job before I came. I don't think looking for a job on the ground in Japan will necessarily help you find better employers; it'll just open you up to a larger number of employers (some good, some bad). I'd try to get a job from abroad first, and then if that doesn't work out, then look for something on the ground.
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milkman



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, get a job first and once you arrive here and get the visa start shopping around for better work. If something good comes up just take off, these places will screw you over the second they can so no sense in passing up a good opportunity for a misguided sense of loyalty.

At the very least, it'll help you get situated and give you some cash while you're searching, I'd imagine it must be quite stressful to have to worry about time and budget along with having an undesirable visa.
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cwinfiel



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

milkman wrote:
Yeah, get a job first and once you arrive here and get the visa start shopping around for better work. If something good comes up just take off, these places will screw you over the second they can so no sense in passing up a good opportunity for a misguided sense of loyalty.

At the very least, it'll help you get situated and give you some cash while you're searching, I'd imagine it must be quite stressful to have to worry about time and budget along with having an undesirable visa.


But wouldn't that reflect badly on potential employers? Wouldn't they ask why I'm leaving the job so soon?
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hagiwaramai



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cwinfiel wrote:
milkman wrote:
Yeah, get a job first and once you arrive here and get the visa start shopping around for better work. If something good comes up just take off, these places will screw you over the second they can so no sense in passing up a good opportunity for a misguided sense of loyalty.

At the very least, it'll help you get situated and give you some cash while you're searching, I'd imagine it must be quite stressful to have to worry about time and budget along with having an undesirable visa.


But wouldn't that reflect badly on potential employers? Wouldn't they ask why I'm leaving the job so soon?

It's none of their business. You don't have to start with the attitude that you're going to screw some company over, just that you're going to check the job out and if it's not good enough then it would probably be completely accurate that it should reflect badly on your employer, be it low salary, poor working conditions or whatever, but most jobs in Japan aren't actually that bad assuming nothing out-of-the-ordinary happens like bankruptcy, so you'd probably be able to stick it out for at least a year if you had to. Just having that initial visa and not losing tons of money while looking for a job is obviously very useful though. Which part of Japan do you want to be in, or have you got no preferences?

Edited to say sorry! I misread your question I think. You mean it would reflect badly on you to companies you were applying to after you got the initial job? Well I wouldn't worry about it. If the first job you get is ok you could stick it out there, if not then you should have a legitimate grievance that you could explain in interview. Tbh I don't think they're going to care too much about it anyway. Eikaiwas are not usually the most discerning of employers. And either way at least at the end of the day you'd still have a job.
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cwinfiel



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was hoping to work and live somewhere in the Tokyo area. I know everyone wants to live there, but that's where my friends live.

I also don't want to work at eikaiwas. I was hoping to use the longer break at a public school to visit the US. That way, I don't have to change jobs to travel.

I know I'm being too picky. I'm willing to live somewhere else for the first year. I love Osaka and enjoyed the smaller cities I visited. But the Interac site says that it's mostly rural positions available for overseas applicants. Combined with the fact that I won't know where I'm going until right before, it's makes me hesitant. The hiring season will be over if I need to look for a new job after I come for Interac. I have also heard many stories of teachers having to use cars to get to work and being screwed over with the fees. (One of them is a friend here in Korea.)

If I go to Japan with a tourist visa, would a school be willing to sponsor a working visa? Even if I pay for a visa run, etc.?
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hagiwaramai



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tokyo area is massive and most of the jobs are there so it's good you want to go there. Actually what interac says about rural locations is maybe a little erroneous. They don't usually put you in the middle of downtown Tokyo, that's true, but they don't usually go in for JET style ruralness and isolation usually either. If anything they go for exactly what you might want, somewhere in the suburbs of big cities/Tokyo, which is where most people live, and within easy commuting distance into central Tokyo. If you really wanted to live centrally and commute out you could too, but of course the rent would be higher. It's good you'd be willing to live somewhere else th efirst year. The main hiring season is of course before the school year starts but jobs come up all the time. It's a very fluid job market. Start checking OyahoSensei bi-monthly, jobsinjapan and gaijinpot everyday, and see what you can find. If it's a company like interac you just have to hope, or talk to them about the possibility of being placed in Tokyo, otherwise obviously just apply to jobs in Kanto.

I think most ALT companies would sponsor a visa after you were here and most of the Eikaiwas would, it usually says in the job ad. You don't need to do a visa run here anymore, you can change within Japan.
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cwinfiel



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great! Thanks for the advice! I feel better about interac, but I'm still considering coming here and looking for a job. I think I'll apply to interac and see what they offer me. If it's too rural, I'll just job search within Japan.
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just hope that Interac actually have openings in the Kanto area.
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