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Black_Beer_Man
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rxk22
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| That's because countries like Mexico and Chile have more industrial work. So often times more work means more productivenesss. While in Japan longer hours means more time pretending to be busy and trying not to fall asleep at the office |
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qwertyu2
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| rxk22 wrote: |
| That's because countries like Mexico and Chile have more industrial work. So often times more work means more productivenesss. While in Japan longer hours means more time pretending to be busy and trying not to fall asleep at the office |
My thoughts as well. Workers in Japan may work long hours, but for the most part they're not working all that hard. I'd be interested to see where Japan ranks on a productivity scale. From what I've seen, I can't believe it's very high. |
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rxk22
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Japan isn't super low, but by hour worked, they are 1/3 less efficient than US workers. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=LEVEL
Go to any office, and see people running around doing nothing, and it all makes sense. |
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Pitarou
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| I believe it was Henry T Ford himself who first established the principal of the 40 hour work week. Why? Because he found, through experimentation, that if his staff worked longer than 40 hours they became so tired that productivity plummeted and they ended up producing less than their "lazier" colleagues. |
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rxk22
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Pitarou wrote: |
| I believe it was Henry T Ford himself who first established the principal of the 40 hour work week. Why? Because he found, through experimentation, that if his staff worked longer than 40 hours they became so tired that productivity plummeted and they ended up producing less than their "lazier" colleagues. |
Oh defiantly. Yeah, sometimes with some OT you can knock out some series work. But if it is a long grind, you end up doing as little as possible. I am sure most Japanese office workers go in, and look busy while struggling to stay awake. Honestly, the Japanese office just reeks of massive non productiveness.
If I ran a company, I would throw people out everyday at 5pm. Make them go home, and have a life of their ow. Prolly have more creative, productive, and happier workers too. The CEO of Nissan Ghosan did that, he found that his workers were better when they took vacation, and didn't hang out all day at the factory. |
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Pitarou
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| rxk22 wrote: |
| If I ran a company, I would throw people out everyday at 5pm. Make them go home, and have a life of their ow. Prolly have more creative, productive, and happier workers too. |
I believe this is a well-established principle in Nordic business culture. I've heard of offices where the lights automatically switch off at 6 pm. (You can switch them on again, but only for a limited period.) |
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rxk22
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Pitarou wrote: |
| rxk22 wrote: |
| If I ran a company, I would throw people out everyday at 5pm. Make them go home, and have a life of their ow. Prolly have more creative, productive, and happier workers too. |
I believe this is a well-established principle in Nordic business culture. I've heard of offices where the lights automatically switch off at 6 pm. (You can switch them on again, but only for a limited period.) |
Because that is an awesome way to run things. Honestly, people work for 4-5 hours max a day. The rest of the time they are just looking busy. Wish Japan understood that. I feel so sorry for all the down trodden salarymen who trudge to job jail everyday. Just a complete waste of talent and of people's lives |
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timothypfox
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But, may I ask, how much of the work in Norway has to be done at home? Do any of these stats reflect telecommuting?
(Several politicians on the warpath against public school teachers - as a veiled agenda to try and save money - conveniently omit the colossal number of hours teachers put into work at their homes).
Actually, one of my happiest days during my public school teaching days a few years back is when the school custodian told the principal that he need all staff out of the building no later than 5 pm each day for budgetary cut back reasons. The teachers all were able to ask for longer deadlines for things (even though we could telecommute) because certain documents such as IEPs (individual education plans for special ed students) could never leave the building. |
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qwertyu2
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| rxk22 wrote: |
| Go to any office, and see people running around doing nothing, and it all makes sense. |
I saw a lot of this when I worked as an ALT. Government workers are probably not the best gauge of productivity in any country, but I was amazed at how many taxpayer funded employees spent their whole day moving stacks of paper from one side of their desks to the other, one piece of paper at a time. I wouldn't have thought much of office workers reviewing paperwork, but since I was often stuck in the board of education for long, soul-crushing periods of time when school was out, I had the opportunity to observe uninterrupted. I noticed that in many cases, when the worker finished reviewing all the documents he would then start the process all over again in reverse. Was there a point to the paper shifting? I don't know. But it sure looked like a lot of "look busy" to me. |
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rxk22
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| qwertyu2 wrote: |
| rxk22 wrote: |
| Go to any office, and see people running around doing nothing, and it all makes sense. |
I saw a lot of this when I worked as an ALT. Government workers are probably not the best gauge of productivity in any country, but I was amazed at how many taxpayer funded employees spent their whole day moving stacks of paper from one side of their desks to the other, one piece of paper at a time. I wouldn't have thought much of office workers reviewing paperwork, but since I was often stuck in the board of education for long, soul-crushing periods of time when school was out, I had the opportunity to observe uninterrupted. I noticed that in many cases, when the worker finished reviewing all the documents he would then start the process all over again in reverse. Was there a point to the paper shifting? I don't know. But it sure looked like a lot of "look busy" to me. |
Yeah, you prolly saw it to a greater degree than I did. It is amazing though when you witness 50 people running around doing essentially nothing, all day long |
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