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doogsville · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China

Got my passport back yesterday with a one year RP, July 2013 to July 2014. It's a renewal and I'm in Guangdong. No mention of any checks of any kind.

bestteacher2012 · Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 160

doogsville · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China

Old Surrender · Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject:

What I'm curious about is what they're looking for and could potentially keep me from being hired again. I have a DUI arrest (no conviction) that's 10 years old. I've been in China for 4 years and got my new RP in June.

wuliuchiba · Joined: 07 Jul 2013 Posts: 61

It would be ridiculous to let petty misdemeanors keep a person out of China, the way it currently is in South Korea. That won't keep the real criminals out, but it will keep out normal people who have been busted for petty infractions like public intoxication, marijuana possession, vandalism, underage drinking, etc. 65 million Americans have some sort of criminal record. That's 1 out of every 5 people. If they insist on an absolutely clean record they might have a tough time finding new people. Surely they are going to have work out a system that overlooks minor crimes and only goes after people who have committed serious crimes and are actual criminals. I really hope this isn't a zero tolerance policy.

vikeologist · Joined: 07 Sep 2009 Posts: 600

The trouble is that the media tends to like to paint foreigners as either devils or angels.

Devils - abuse children, sell drugs, urinate over their landmarks and act as though we own the place.

Angels - Dive into rivers to save people and display the moral behaviour that Chinese people wish they did themselves.

There's no middle ground, so unfortunately, yes, the intention probably is to keep out everybody with a criminal record.

I'm not sure a DUI arrest would be a terminal problem though.

I'm guessing of course. The reason I started this thread is that there has been little clarification about what the criminal checks will involve or are even for exactly.

frankly I'd have liked to see a procedure put in place to stop convicted sex offenders getting jobs with children, but unfortunately the problems associated with such a wide spread checks will probably result in the Chinese giving up on all this after a while, and going back to us signing something to say that we're not a criminal.

Hopefully the fingerprinting and biometric stuff, which is absolutely set in stone to happen, can be integrated into a workable procedure.

NoBillyNO · Joined: 11 Jun 2012 Posts: 1762

Bud Powell · Joined: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 1736

"...relationship between young adults and teenagers resulting in corruption of a minor (if the age between them is greater than 1,060 days..."

Where is this a law? I am unaware of the age difference of 1,060 days regarding the corruption of a minor. I'm not taking issue with it. I am just curious about where the law reads like this.

Thanks.

vikeologist · Joined: 07 Sep 2009 Posts: 600

I'm certainly not suggesting that all 'sex offenders' are paedophiles, equally dangerous etc, or advocating a witchhunt.

However, the alternative would be to have the PSB examine each (sexual offender) conviction individually, which isn't workable. I'd like to think though that judgement could be used on 'crimes' such as DUI.

This is the way things work. Countries make decisions on foreigners being 'undesirable' based on sweeping legal and criminal history generalisations, including the USA.

Unfortunately, if anyone is turned down because of a criminal conviction, they're unlikely to share the details with us.

If only certain categories of crime were a bar to a permit, which should they be?

Sexual Offenders?
Fraud?
Burglary?
Drug Distribution?

What about things that are crimes in our country, but not in China? (I must admit I can't actually think of one right now. Provoking racial hatred? I bet that's not a crime in China.)

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258

Dead on, vikeologist. More than likely ANYTHING other than a totally clean slate will be grounds for denial.

GeminiTiger · Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:10 am Post subject:

from my own minimal research on this some states in America do not report convictions of misdemeanors after a number of years, on this matter it's up to individual states.

beckyshaile · Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 72

vikeologist · Joined: 07 Sep 2009 Posts: 600

If JohnPartee is right about the wording, the visa application asks about convictions, not arrests.

Old Surrender · Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:33 pm Post subject:

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258