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Expat101
Joined: 09 May 2012 Posts: 108
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| The truth is out there ... and so are the truthers. National Post editor Jonathan Kay uses this label, originally derived from the 9/11 Truth Movement, to designate conspiracists of all stripes, not just those who question the “official” story about the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Truthers are modern gnostics, convinced they possess a secret knowledge being kept hidden from the general public by a shadowy cabal of sinister puppet masters. In the information age, such knowledge is linked to power and control over the media, rendering the truthers – at least in their own frequently tortured minds – heroic resistance figures as well as, simultaneously and paradoxically, radical skeptics and true believers. - See more at: http://www.quillandquire.com/reviews/review.cfm?review_id=7327#sthash.IkWfqL1e.dpuf |
The link you gave was of a book review. The author who criticizes Truthers gets scathing criticism in the book review.
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Kay’s own right-leaning “ideological commitments,” which he tries to stay alert to, inevitably colour much of what he has to say. Lumping Noam Chomsky and Paul Krugman together on one side of the conspiracist spectrum and Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck on the other is fair and balanced only in the manner of Fox News. And the frequent attempts to turn Marxism into a conspiracy theory are unconvincing. The classic statement on conspiracies spearheaded by exploitative capitalists came from Adam Smith, not Karl Marx.
There are a lot of hits and misses here. Among the hits are Kay’s checklist of conspiracist personality types and his (frustratingly brief) analysis of the way the Internet has contributed to the spread of conspiracist culture. Among the misses are an attack on academic political correctness that has little connection to conspiracy theories and some rather general background history cribbed from a handful of popular secondary sources. |
In other words, to put it mildly, the author, Kay, is a narrow minded, bigoted, far right, religious nutter who fails miserably at making a point. The review of this book was, to put it in layman's terms, was basically don't waste your time or money on it. |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Expat101 wrote: |
| cmp45 wrote: |
| The truth is out there ... and so are the truthers. National Post editor Jonathan Kay uses this label, originally derived from the 9/11 Truth Movement, to designate conspiracists of all stripes, not just those who question the “official” story about the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Truthers are modern gnostics, convinced they possess a secret knowledge being kept hidden from the general public by a shadowy cabal of sinister puppet masters. In the information age, such knowledge is linked to power and control over the media, rendering the truthers – at least in their own frequently tortured minds – heroic resistance figures as well as, simultaneously and paradoxically, radical skeptics and true believers. - See more at: http://www.quillandquire.com/reviews/review.cfm?review_id=7327#sthash.IkWfqL1e.dpuf |
The link you gave was of a book review. The author who criticizes Truthers gets scathing criticism in the book review.
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Kay’s own right-leaning “ideological commitments,” which he tries to stay alert to, inevitably colour much of what he has to say. Lumping Noam Chomsky and Paul Krugman together on one side of the conspiracist spectrum and Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck on the other is fair and balanced only in the manner of Fox News. And the frequent attempts to turn Marxism into a conspiracy theory are unconvincing. The classic statement on conspiracies spearheaded by exploitative capitalists came from Adam Smith, not Karl Marx.
There are a lot of hits and misses here. Among the hits are Kay’s checklist of conspiracist personality types and his (frustratingly brief) analysis of the way the Internet has contributed to the spread of conspiracist culture. Among the misses are an attack on academic political correctness that has little connection to conspiracy theories and some rather general background history cribbed from a handful of popular secondary sources. |
In other words, to put it mildly, the author, Kay, is a narrow minded, bigoted, far right, religious nutter who fails miserably at making a point. The review of this book was, to put it in layman's terms, was basically don't waste your time or money on it. |
Well thank you for pointing that out. You just helped make my point. people are free to choose to believe who ever /what ever fits their world view. |
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Expat101
Joined: 09 May 2012 Posts: 108
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Bigots = truthers? I don't have all the answers and do not think truthers do either. |
That's the SECOND time you've accused me of being a bigot. Once for wanting to bring my animals to SA, and this time for saying I'm a Truther. You don't even know the meaning of the word.  |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Expat101 wrote: |
| cmp45 wrote: |
| Bigots = truthers? I don't have all the answers and do not think truthers do either. |
That's the SECOND time you've accused me of being a bigot. Once for wanting to bring my animals to SA, and this time for saying I'm a Truther. You don't even know the meaning of the word.  |
Oh...stop playing that silly game will you!
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Expat101
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| cmp45 wrote: |
| Expat101 wrote: |
| cmp45 wrote: |
| Bigots = truthers? I don't have all the answers and do not think truthers do either. |
That's the SECOND time you've accused me of being a bigot. Once for wanting to bring my animals to SA, and this time for saying I'm a Truther. You don't even know the meaning of the word.  |
all I know is you are very ridged in your thinking and anyone who has an alternative viewpoint is shot down. |
NO, that's YOU! |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Expat101 wrote: |
| cmp45 wrote: |
| Expat101 wrote: |
| cmp45 wrote: |
| Bigots = truthers? I don't have all the answers and do not think truthers do either. |
That's the SECOND time you've accused me of being a bigot. Once for wanting to bring my animals to SA, and this time for saying I'm a Truther. You don't even know the meaning of the word.  |
all I know is you are very ridged in your thinking and anyone who has an alternative viewpoint is shot down. |
NO, that's YOU! |
I did state that we could agree to disagree in that other post but that went straight into the rubbish bin didn't it. Of course your right, your always right  |
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Kitkat Biriyani
Joined: 10 Jul 2013 Posts: 51 Location: New Venkatanarasimharajuvaripea, Missouri, USA, Q!Q!QQQ!!!
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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you two should get a room....
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Kitkat Biriyani wrote: |
you two should get a room....
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pervert  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, is Mr. Kay really "far-right?" This person, who definitely seems conservative, doesn't think so:
WHO IS JONATHAN KAY?
"Did you know you could earn a decent living and win accolades from peers in the media by pretending to be a “conservative” who loves trashing conservatives and defending socialists?
That is who Jonathan Kay is – in addition to being managing editor of the opinion pages of Canada’s National Post.
When Kay set his sights on me last May in a piece called “Cult of the False Prophet,” I didn’t even respond. Who would care enough to read what would have to be a lengthy column pointing out numerous falsehoods, ad hominem attacks, mischaracterizations and religious bigotry he displayed in the piece? After all, who was Jonathan Kay?
But now, I suspect, Kay has crossed a bridge too far – at least for his fairy tale about being a “conservative” to have any traction, at least on this side of the border.
Not content to go after those asking legitimate questions about the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama – and doing some darned good reporting on those questions, I might add – Kay has taken to attacking American conservative icon Glenn Beck and defending the meddling globalist billionaire George Soros. (Watch this guy wind up working for Media Matters or Huffington Puffington Post, one of these days, when Toronto tires of his politically correct “gay” obsession and the “conspiracies” he finds under every bed.)
Last month Beck did an admirable job recounting George Soros’ history and illustrating what a force he has been in undermining the precepts and institutions that have made America exceptional in the world.
Kay doesn’t actually counter a single accusation Beck made in his thorough and well-researched profile of Soros. Instead, he attacks the messenger by all but accusing him of anti-Semitism.
The December issue of Whistleblower shines a thousand-watt spotlight on the “dark lord” of the left – billionaire investor George Soros
“According to Beck’s conspiracist (Kay’s favorite word) narrative, there seems to be no sin that cannot be laid at Soros’ feet – even “the crimes of the Nazis,” writes Kay. “Soros is Jewish. When the Nazis occupied his native Hungary, Soros, like some other Jewish children, was recruited to help deliver deportation notices to Jewish families. Out of this fact has grown a mythology that paints Soros (who was 14 at the time) as a full-blown Nazi collaborator. Beck wallowed in this material during his Fox broadcast.”
Beck did no such thing. He didn’t wallow in this material. In fact, he simply recounted Soros’ own description of this period in his young life – pointing out that he “enjoyed” working for the Nazis and victimizing his fellow Jews.
Kay continues in his smear of Beck: “Of course, lots of people casually throw around Nazi references these days. The anti-war left likened Bush to Hitler during the Iraq war, and the tea-party movement returned the favor with Obama. Yet there is something especially unsettling about Beck’s smear on Soros. Despite Beck’s upbeat, high-energy, everyman schtick, his case against Soros unwittingly taps into some very dark ideological currents. The idea that a secret cabal of all-powerful financiers and ‘puppet masters’ is deliberately seeking to crash the world’s economies and thereby create a ‘one-world government’ has been kicking around right-wing conspiracist (there’s that word, again) circles since the publication of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion – in which the fictional Jewish ‘Elders’ are shown as plotting to render ‘all the goy States to bankruptcy,’ and to create a ‘Super-Government Administration.’ This helps explain why the Anti-Defamation League described Beck’s rants against Soros as ‘offensive’ and ‘horrific.’”
Here Kay marches right up to the point of labeling Beck an anti-Semite and then cowardly backs down with this slam: “Yet no one can say Beck is anti-Semitic (not even the ADL makes that claim). The man is too ignorant to understand the historical origins of his conspiracist (there’s that word, again) mythology.”
Now, I’ve made no secret of the fact that I have bones to pick with Glenn Beck. But I’d pay to see Jonathan Kay match wits with him. My guess is he wouldn’t have the courage to make these charges to his face. And my second guess is that Beck would eat his lunch.
But I think it’s about time someone blew the whistle on this phony – even if he is just a second-rate columnist pretending to be something he’s not and who has been shamelessly promoting a book he has written for a year before its publication date."
http://www.wnd.com/2010/12/238301/#ZJL8WFukGBkDbWuv.99
Regards,
John |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know - kind of makes one wonder what the appropriate "label" would be when the conservatives think you're liberal while the liberals/libertarians think you're conservative.
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John |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Who is Glenn Beck?
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/fox-news-glenn-beck-right-wing-rants-critics-charge-article-1.382031
In the end anyone and everyone is free to choose who to believe and I don't know that anyone person can honestly declare what the truth really is or what it means...at some point you have to make a decision based on your own colored view of the world.
perhaps it becomes a popularity contest and who spins the best yarn
Hitler convinced millions of people to his way of thinking and during that time many people believed he was speaking the truth...look how that turned out. |
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2buckets
Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 515 Location: Middle East
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Since George Zimmerman was characterized by the mainstream media as a "White" Hispanic, then I guess that makes Obama a "White" African American. |
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gorkomi
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Expat, a terrorist is detemined by the reporter? It's a subjective term is it? Call me nutty, but I've always thought carrying a bomb on your body into a room full of strangers speaks for itself. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, as a "white person" all I can speak for is myself, and I regard him as being "black."
And judging from the percentage of "blacks" who voted for him - in 2008 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, while in 2012 93, percent of African- Americans voted for him - I think it may be OK to assume that at least some/many of them regard him as "black."
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Expat101
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| gorkomi wrote: |
| Expat, a terrorist is detemined by the reporter? It's a subjective term is it? Call me nutty, but I've always thought carrying a bomb on your body into a room full of strangers speaks for itself |
Say that to soldiers.  |
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