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vabeckele
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 Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:42 am Post subject: Negotiable? |
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What does it meant when a salary is between 1000 and 1400 dollars for the same working hours? What? If we find someone mug enough...if not...
What does it mean when a salary is 'negotiable'? Is this C level management talk?
I don't even bother reading on anymore, I just trash the email soliciting my employ.
Another ad for an English centre in Hanoi complained of only having short-term teachers - IN CAPITAL LETTERS - It doesn't take a genius to figure out 16 bucks an hour isn't the most lucrative gig in town. |
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cb400
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Location: Vientiane, Laos
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hahha I saw that one this morning also.
It is amazing that these centers never question why teachers leave, but I would hazard a guess at;
1. Straight out bullshit lying about the position, hours and classes. Schools are desperate in Hanoi and will post just about anything to get teachers.
There was a post from Vabeckale about a school with the 300000000 observations needed to get the position..sorry forgot the title of the post. I have a friend who went for an interview there. They said she needed to do demo lessons and then the 4 observations before they would give her a contract. She laughed said 'no thanks', they called her several times that week... just take the job please...22$ an hour.......please, please.
2. Pay is often miscalculated and and or late. There is no excuse for this as payday falls on the same day every month and any competent accountant knows to start payroll a day or 2 ahead.
3. Shit management. Most of the time the boss is not the boss, but the boss only until the real boss decides to come in and show his 'face' meaning changing things that are working perfectly well to show his/her authority to the staff. Most schools owners have money but not brains and refuse to hire management as it makes them 'lose' face, having to listen to staff under them even though they are competent. |
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VietCanada
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Meanwhile down here in HCMC I was informed at an interview that the job paid between 13 and 17 US an hour. It depended on the student(s). LMFAO
I was to meet with prospective student(s) and discuss their goals, evaluate them and prepare a program of study. If they liked me and my program then I would get the job. Of course the initial meeting with the student(s) and subsequent planning was unpaid and performed at the office.
I listened, stated that I don't work for free and the interviewer furiously backpedaled all the way to agreeing to simply calling me when the school had a class and asking if I was available at that time. This took over an hour. I had to say I didn't work for free multiple times.
Finally I mentioned that if the students or school don't like me then the school should obviously fire me and get another teacher since I wasn't in the habit of working for schools that don't like me or teaching students that don't like me.
The interviewer became visibly PO'd at this point and couldn't get me out he door fast enough. AFAIK this is a new school with no FTs or students yet. |
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Ramen
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| Wow! I see things have changed signicantly as the job market is saturated with desperates and backpackers and has turned in favor of employers. Maybe I should consider starting up a new language mill in Saigon. Are there any foreigner (not vietkieu) owned and operated language mill in Saigon? |
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vabeckele
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| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| Wow! I see things have changed signicantly as the job market is saturated with desperates and backpackers and has turned in favor of employers. Maybe I should consider starting up a new language mill in Saigon. Are there any foreigner (not vietkieu) owned and operated language mill in Saigon? |
Well...it is the fault of the employers (read cadres) for not making conditions suitable enough, for any individual that really cares and is professional enough, to make a difference. If I have to start working with unprofessional crooks for 16 bucks an hour I think I may begin to use the needle or start drinking to get through 'the lesson'.
I think setting up your own private lessons or starting up your own language centre the only way to go. Granted, you are going to face the same chit but from different angles when you rent, furnish, go through legal and admin offices etc.. However, I made the mistake of getting the concrete infrastructure ready first AND then sought students. At the time I thought it wrong to solicit students when I wasn't ready.
Now, I would do it differently, just like the locals. For two major reasons: Firstly, getting the students first and down payments means a lot less investment and guesswork and secondly, you have drummed up enough interest without any real risk and the competition cannot squeeze you out before you begin. Nothing, though can prevent the locals from pulling the rug from underneath your feet at any time. Just make sure the money is banked safely, WHEN it happens. |
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Mushroom Druid
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| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Negotiable? |
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| vabeckele wrote: |
What does it meant when a salary is between 1000 and 1400 dollars for the same working hours? What? If we find someone mug enough...if not...
What does it mean when a salary is 'negotiable'? Is this C level management talk? |
I have worked for some great schools: there was never this "negotiable" garbage. They stated a wage, they hired me.
I have also worked for some real bad schools: "negotiable"
That means the demo, or the first lesson is critisized: "the students wanted more listening; your activity was not accurate; the students want more pronunciation.
We are offering you the LOWEST amount.t
To all arrival in VN. Whenever you hear that you pay will be related to a demo or first lesson feedback, you will get the lowest rate. They will then say that you can 'get a raise in the future.'
Make a fair salary expectation and stick to it.
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| Another ad for an English centre in Hanoi complained of only having short-term teachers - IN CAPITAL LETTERS - It doesn't take a genius to figure out 16 bucks an hour isn't the most lucrative gig in town. |
Even though I left VN, I still check the that site every morning. Shame on me.
Yes, viewing these ads makes me realize how bad the situation in Hanoi is, and how many scam schools there are. The pop up all of the time. |
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vabeckele
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| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Negotiable? |
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| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
Even though I left VN, I still check the that site every morning. Shame on me.
Yes, viewing these ads makes me realize how bad the situation in Hanoi is, and how many scam schools there are. The pop up all of the time. |
I think this is the way to really assess the situation in Hanoi or Vietnam. When one is in the middle of it trying to eek out an existence it is a bit harder. But when outside, a clearer, more objective view can be had. And normally that view is dire. |
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Ramen
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| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| To all arrival in VN. Whenever you hear that you pay will be related to a demo or first lesson feedback, you will get the lowest rate. They will then say that you can 'get a raise in the future.' |
That's funny. That was exactly what they did and offered when I did a one and only demo long ago. I accepted their offer ecstatically, but didn't show up for work. They called me and asked why, so I told them that their offer was way more than what I'd expected and deserved. The manager seemed a little confused. |
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