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AVSE - ligitament or not?

 
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rsanders777



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:20 am    Post subject: AVSE - ligitament or not? Reply with quote

I applied to take the TEFL at AVSE (Australia-Vietnam School of English) I would like to know if it is a reputable organization. They guarantee job placement on completion. I was accepted and now they want $550 in 7 days. I am supposed to pay it by bank transfer or Western Union. The rest of the payment ($995) is to be made when I get there. Please me know anything you know about this school. Thank you
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deadlift



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ILA and Apollo, which are two of the more reputable schools, charge around $1650 for the CELTA. If I were in your shoes I'd go with them, simply because a CELTA will have greater recognition.

Also, AVSE is in Go Vap district, a good hour or more from down town.
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An on line TEFL is only about $300. Why on Earth would you spend $1500+ ? If they are guaranteeing a job then they are guaranteeing you'll pass? Seriously how is that more legitimate than a $300 on line Tefl cert.?

Have you researched the cost at places in countries that don't require a cert. to teach legally? That's pretty much every other EFL destination in the world.

IMHO some schools in this country make more money selling this crap then they make off the VN students.


https://www.google.com.vn/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=LEGITIMATE&oq=LEGITIMATE&gs_l=hp.3..0l4.1589.3969.0.5543.10.8.0.2.2.0.401.2703.3-7j1.8.0....0...1c.1.21.psy-ab.VhJz9yuYt5A&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49478099,d.eWU&fp=a03956f548817826&biw=1727&bih=909

Getting a certification to teach English grammar requires some prerequisites perhaps? Guaranteed a job! No applicant turned down! Only $1650+flight+food+++, ROTFLMFAO
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bobpen



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: AVSE - ligitament or not? Reply with quote

rsanders777 wrote:
I applied to take the TEFL at AVSE (Australia-Vietnam School of English) I would like to know if it is a reputable organization. They guarantee job placement on completion. I was accepted and now they want $550 in 7 days. I am supposed to pay it by bank transfer or Western Union. The rest of the payment ($995) is to be made when I get there. Please me know anything you know about this school. Thank you

It's nothing personal, but the info you provided reminds me of someone who just got a Nigerian email. I highlighted each part of your post that sounds wrong.

Guarantee - is anything ever guaranteed in SE Asia? You were "accepted?" Did they also congratulate you on becoming their customer? Bank wire or W.Union? I believe these are listed as "dont's" in e-commerce due to the fact you are SOL if anything goes wrong. The fact they require money NOW and want it exclusively via unrefundable methods seems oh so wrong. Don't forget this is SE Asia -- scamsters operate all the time. Even legit institutes and firms aren't completely averse to pulling fast ones.
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen several places that offer the CELTA use the tag-line of guaranteeing employment after the course is over. It doubt it's a scam. Just sounds like a marketing gimmick.

The person who suggested that an online TEFL cert is just as good as a CELTA is sadly misinformed. Even for working in Vietnam, you're going to need at least a CELTA to get work at the more reputable schools, unless you have great connections. Sure you can find work easily enough here with just the online certificate, but it's going to be at places like AMA, Apollo, etc. A CELTA is internationally recognized and is universally considered the minimum requirement to work at any decent school.
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Anh Dep



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AVSE is owned and run by an Australian man Peter Goudge, he offers a Tesol course. Many things have been said on here before and other forums about AVSE, most of it was very damning. On here the thread was deleted as it got out of control. If I were you I would be looking at ILA or Apollo, at least they are reputable.The other thing is Mr Goudge is an former politician and he has all the spin that goes with it.
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ExpatLuke wrote:
I've seen several places that offer the CELTA use the tag-line of guaranteeing employment after the course is over. It doubt it's a scam. Just sounds like a marketing gimmick.

The person who suggested that an online TEFL cert is just as good as a CELTA is sadly misinformed. Even for working in Vietnam, you're going to need at least a CELTA to get work at the more reputable schools, unless you have great connections. Sure you can find work easily enough here with just the online certificate, but it's going to be at places like AMA, Apollo, etc. A CELTA is internationally recognized and is universally considered the minimum requirement to work at any decent school.


The work permit requirement in VN does not distinguish between an online TEFL or a CELTA or even an actual degree in Education, a B.Ed. or M.Ed. from NA.

You can have all of them and if a student complains your SOL.

The teaching cert. requirement was just to stop schools from hiring backpackers and now marketing it has nothing to do with actual or implied teaching skill. That's appears to be innate. People pay for lessons based on word of mouth and out of need not the creds of the staff.
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Mushroom Druid



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:35 am    Post subject: Re: AVSE - ligitament or not? Reply with quote

rsanders777 wrote:
I applied to take the TEFL at AVSE (Australia-Vietnam School of English) I would like to know if it is a reputable organization. They guarantee job placement on completion. I was accepted and now they want $550 in 7 days. I am supposed to pay it by bank transfer or Western Union. The rest of the payment ($995) is to be made when I get there. Please me know anything you know about this school. Thank you


It is another scam.

Is it a 120 hour course? How many observations of you and by you?

What are the qualifications of the trainers? They better have an MA and years of provable experience.

Do the CELTA. CELTA or nothing.

You will pay money for a useless piece of paper.
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Ramen



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my humble opinion. In vietnam, all EFL teaching certications are nothing more than money making scams. Anyone with half a brain can teach at vietnamese language mills. The difference is whether you have the experience or not.
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