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Mushroom Druid
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| If you have got a Master's in English, and some centre demands a CELTA/DELTA/TESOL/TEFL/OMFG, then tell 'em that they can go find one and wipe their arses with it...... |
A Master's in English is not related to teaching English as a Foreign Language.
I have observed teachers with MAs in English and also English Literature.
They need to do the CELTA, teach for 2 years or perhaps 3, and THEN do the DELTA or a MA in EFL if they are going to stay in the industry.
A degree in English might as well be a degree in Engineering or Sociology.
My point is not negative, it is just realistic. |
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Lord Bafford
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I am actually open to teaching anywhere.
The problem is, most offers I have received are not suitable for my lifestyle. Personally, 25-30 teaching hours + office hours is just not my idea of a healthy life/work balance.
My ideal position is 10-15 hours per week and, most importantly, without hellish visa requirements that cost a fortune to adhere to.
I am a modest person. 15- 20 $ an hour is more than adequate for my non materialistic lifestyle.
If I can't get a work permit, what is the visa run situation like( distances, cost etc.)?
I really do appreciate everyone's input. |
If you're only looking for part time work like that, you'll have no trouble finding work anywhere in Vietnam. I've never had to visa runs my whole time I've been here. I think the teachers who prefer to do visa runs are the ones who work for several different jobs at once so they don't have a legal work permit with one employer.
If you just want 15 hours a week, it should be no problem to find a school that's happy to take you on and provide all the proper paperwork.
Any ideas where you'd like to live? |
I'm not too fussy on location, especially when getting established in the country.
My first aim is to secure a job.
Would $3,000 be sufficient to land with and hit the pavements? |
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Ramen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Would $3,000 be sufficient to land with and hit the pavements? |
It's doable, if you live in Pham (backpacker) area. |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Lord Bafford wrote: |
I'm not too fussy on location, especially when getting established in the country.
My first aim is to secure a job.
Would $3,000 be sufficient to land with and hit the pavements? |
I'd say its enough. You want to have enough to be able to pay the deposit on a place to live as well as 3 months rent in most cases. You'll probably want to buy a bike as well. They range in prices from $300 to $2000. Generally a decent used automatic will be around $600.
It shouldn't take too long to find a job. But you never know. And of course you always want to have options for leaving the country if things don't work out for you. |
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I'm With Stupid
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| LettersAthruZ wrote: |
| If you have got a Master's in English, and some centre demands a CELTA/DELTA/TESOL/TEFL/OMFG, then tell 'em that they can go find one and wipe their arses with it...... |
Why? A masters in English is no evidence of teaching ability whatsoever. It's not applied linguistics (which is also not necessarily evidence of teaching ability, but is at least related). |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
A Master's in English is not related to teaching English as a Foreign Language.
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I am pretty sure that English degrees appease the government's requirements of a "related degree". Not 100% on that, but I vaguely remember TESOL, Education, English, and Applied Linguistics degrees all qualify you to work here without needing an additional certificate.
While I agree with you that an English degree won't train anyone how to be a teacher, I think it does satisfy the legal end of things. |
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Ramen
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:50 am Post subject: |
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I am pretty sure that English degrees appease the government's requirements of a "related degree". Not 100% on that, but I vaguely remember TESOL, Education, English, and Applied Linguistics degrees all qualify you to work here without needing an additional certificate.
While I agree with you that an English degree won't train anyone how to be a teacher, I think it does satisfy the legal end of things. |
So you think? You sound like a viet gov't official. |
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Lord Bafford
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| Lord Bafford wrote: |
I'm not too fussy on location, especially when getting established in the country.
My first aim is to secure a job.
Would $3,000 be sufficient to land with and hit the pavements? |
I'd say its enough. You want to have enough to be able to pay the deposit on a place to live as well as 3 months rent in most cases. You'll probably want to buy a bike as well. They range in prices from $300 to $2000. Generally a decent used automatic will be around $600.
It shouldn't take too long to find a job. But you never know. And of course you always want to have options for leaving the country if things don't work out for you. |
Thanks for the info everyone.
I think I'll post the same thread in the Japan forum to bolster my options. |
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LettersAthruZ
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
A Master's in English is not related to teaching English as a Foreign Language.
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I am pretty sure that English degrees appease the government's requirements of a "related degree". Not 100% on that, but I vaguely remember TESOL, Education, English, and Applied Linguistics degrees all qualify you to work here without needing an additional certificate.
While I agree with you that an English degree won't train anyone how to be a teacher, I think it does satisfy the legal end of things. |
Right. I'm With Stupid: It was the legal end of things in terms of requirements that I was referring to. I do believe a Master's in English can be used in lieu of a cert.
(DON'T quote me on this, however) 
Any program simply called a "Master's in English" (JUST called "Master's of English" - NOT "English Literature" or something else) varies greatly from university to university in terms of content and completion requirements....some CAN be very useful in ESL instruction, some won't assist you if your classroom life depended on it! |
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I'm With Stupid
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| LettersAthruZ wrote: |
| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
A Master's in English is not related to teaching English as a Foreign Language.
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I am pretty sure that English degrees appease the government's requirements of a "related degree". Not 100% on that, but I vaguely remember TESOL, Education, English, and Applied Linguistics degrees all qualify you to work here without needing an additional certificate.
While I agree with you that an English degree won't train anyone how to be a teacher, I think it does satisfy the legal end of things. |
Right. I'm With Stupid: It was the legal end of things in terms of requirements that I was referring to. I do believe a Master's in English can be used in lieu of a cert.
(DON'T quote me on this, however)
Any program simply called a "Master's in English" (JUST called "Master's of English" - NOT "English Literature" or something else) varies greatly from university to university in terms of content and completion requirements....some CAN be very useful in ESL instruction, some won't assist you if your classroom life depended on it! |
Yes, but your post stated that any school requesting more than this bare legal minimum of qualifications should "wipe their arses" with it. What's your issue with a school wanting actual teaching qualifications rather than a vaguely related degree? |
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cb400
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Most schools here couldn't care less about your credentials. They want you to have something to submit to the education board so they, the school look legit. Almost no Vietnamese I have worked with knew the difference between a CELTA/TESOL/TEFL they only ask so they could but on their shiny websites 'Our Foreigners are qualified' ... the money grabbing scum at the labour board DONT CARE if it says CELTA/TESOL/TEFL they only care about the envelop that accompanies the school's paperwork. |
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