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Demonietto



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Contact hours vs worked hours? Reply with quote

Hi! I signed up with a company offering me a full time contract. They are promising 20-25 paid hours a week. The first gig involves 4 contact hours Mon-Wed and 2 contact hours on Thursday, with break times/lunch in between, totalling 14 contact hours. They are working on finding me a school for Fri to get up to the full time level. The school they placed me at is expecting me to be there from 7:30 to 4:30, including the 2-hour lunch, with a weekly lesson plan write-up thrown in, too. This basically means 9 hours at the school for 4 paid hours, and seems to me to be a horrible waste of time. Is this kind of schedule the norm? I'm thinking about turning it down but don't want to just find the same thing at the next school. I work at a large language center on weekends which seems to be a much better deal, but it is only nights/weekends. I want to be busy working during the week, but not that busy for that pay. I'm considering looking into VAS, does anyone have anything to share about that company? Thanks so much!
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not normal for any school I've worked at here. And you're right, that's a huge waste of time especially for Thursdays. What do they expect you to do all day for no pay, sit at your desk looking busy?
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Demonietto



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback! I would love to hear more from you or others. What is a 'normal' day at a non-language center job? Shouldn't you get paid for all/most of it? I'm sure no one minds trying to take advantage of teachers, but the language center I work at seems much more straight forward. Show up when you're scheduled and we'll pay you for it. I just feel like public/private school is the only way to get weekday hours.
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a couple of universities doing prep year English courses for their international programmes. Perhaps you could do a search for these. These are quite easy as it is mostly walk in and teach, once you become familiar with the teaching materials. No obligatory desk hours or anything, just walk in, teach and leave.
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on what you mean by "expect me to be there." If you mean that they've given you a schedule where you effectively stuck in school all day (because there's nothing else to do), then obviously that's not ideal. But if you're saying that they've actually told you that you must be in school during this time, then they really should be paying you. I've done the dreaded split shift when covering other people, but I wouldn't sign up to it as my actual schedule, unless it fits around me (sometimes I like to have a 2 hour break between classes because it sets aside time for planning, and I know other teachers who use this time to go to the gym or study something that they might otherwise find excuses for).
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Mushroom Druid



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Contact hours vs worked hours? Reply with quote

Demonietto wrote:
Hi! I signed up with a company offering me a full time contract. They are promising 20-25 paid hours a week. The first gig involves 4 contact hours Mon-Wed and 2 contact hours on Thursday, with break times/lunch in between, totalling 14 contact hours. They are working on finding me a school for Fri to get up to the full time level. The school they placed me at is expecting me to be there from 7:30 to 4:30, including the 2-hour lunch, with a weekly lesson plan write-up thrown in, too. This basically means 9 hours at the school for 4 paid hours, and seems to me to be a horrible waste of time. Is this kind of schedule the norm? I'm thinking about turning it down but don't want to just find the same thing at the next school. I work at a large language center on weekends which seems to be a much better deal, but it is only nights/weekends. I want to be busy working during the week, but not that busy for that pay. I'm considering looking into VAS, does anyone have anything to share about that company? Thanks so much!


Never use an agency, IMO. They may be getting reasonable cut or maybe a large cut, that you do not get.

Also, they will promise things they have no control over.

I would visit schools and get hired direct. It will be better for you.
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Demonietto



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Never use an agency, IMO. I would visit schools and get hired direct.


We're working on this right now. Part of it was just having someone offer a job fresh after arrival without knowing all of the logistics. They made it sound ideal.

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But if you're saying that they've actually told you that you must be in school during this time, then they really should be paying you.


It is a two hour break and a 40 min break, unpaid. I would love to go to the gym, but the school asked me to stay on site. It's kindergarten, so that much planning time seems excessive. Leaving is very appealing, I just didn't want to find the same thing at the next school.
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah if they're asking you to stay on site, then you should be getting paid, even if it's a slightly lower "non-teaching" rate (pretty common).
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cb400



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With Stupid wrote:
Yeah if they're asking you to stay on site, then you should be getting paid, even if it's a slightly lower "non-teaching" rate (pretty common).


Agreed. Try to get some 'office hours' at a reduced rate. You can then do stuff around the office, organize flashcards, put up artwork and stuff like that. They want you to stay on site because having a foreigner looks more international Smile

The contract you are stating doesn't sound worth it really, unless you get a monthly salary for a set amount of hours.
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