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ExpatLuke
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| Ramen wrote: |
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| I hear, at least in London, an ESL 'professional' may only get 6 quid an hour in a language centre. If this is true, that is McDonald's money. |
Not too sure how it is now, but for the few years that I had resided in America (in the early 2000's), it was about (no, literally) 90% volunteer with those holding MASTER'S Degrees in TESOL getting positions starting at $9.00 - $10.00USD per hour. |
It's the same or worse now. Flippin' burgers is far better than teachin' ESL in the US. I assume it's the same for all or most English speaking countries. This is why I often ask why some people would seek MA or higher in TESOL. |
Wrong. I was teaching in the US not long ago, and the BA TESOL holders were getting paid $30 per hour, with 30 hours a week. The MA TESOL holders were getting paid $48 an hour with the same hours.
This was at your basic ESL school which had a partnership with a local college. This is by no means the top of line school either, as it was my first job out of University.
I should also add that this school had pretty good benefits with health insurance, financial assistance for those who wanted to get their MAs in TESOL, fully paid for flights and accommodation for those who wanted to go get their CELTAs, on going professional development workshops, and overtime hours through extra tutoring for those who wanted them.
Many of my fellow classmates who graduated from the same course as me have indicated working in similar situations. Actually, from what I can tell, my $30 per hour was a little on the lower side.
I'm not sure where you taught, Ramen, but your single experience is not indicative of the overall situation of teaching ESL in the US. The fact that you stated you didn't hire MA TESOL holders shows that you were working at place that wouldn't be taken very seriously in the TESOL community. |
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Ramen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Wrong. I was teaching in the US not long ago, and the BA TESOL holders were getting paid $30 per hour, with 30 hours a week. The MA TESOL holders were getting paid $48 an hour with the same hours. |
Well, then we have to agree to disagree. Those job are usually for teacher training or university students which available for a few MA or higher holders. So you were getting $30 per hour with your BA TESOL and TESOL certificate I assume.
Also public school jobs in the US teaching ESL is very lucrative and are in demand. However, you have to be certified and be bilingual.
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I'm not sure where you taught, Ramen, but your single experience is not indicative of the overall situation of teaching ESL in the US. The fact that you stated you didn't hire MA TESOL holders shows that you were working at place that wouldn't be taken very seriously in the TESOL community. |
As for where I worked, you can go back a few posts and find out.
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| ...we tossed away all applications with Ph.D in arts and most MA. We hired mostly applicants with BA who had a few years of ESL teaching experience. |
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LettersAthruZ
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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Location: North Viet Nam
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| Ramen wrote: |
| LettersAthruZ wrote: |
| vabeckele wrote: |
| I hear, at least in London, an ESL 'professional' may only get 6 quid an hour in a language centre. If this is true, that is McDonald's money. |
Not too sure how it is now, but for the few years that I had resided in America (in the early 2000's), it was about (no, literally) 90% volunteer with those holding MASTER'S Degrees in TESOL getting positions starting at $9.00 - $10.00USD per hour. |
It's the same or worse now. Flippin' burgers is far better than teachin' ESL in the US. I assume it's the same for all or most English speaking countries. This is why I often ask why some people would seek MA or higher in TESOL. |
Wrong. I was teaching in the US not long ago, and the BA TESOL holders were getting paid $30 per hour, with 30 hours a week. The MA TESOL holders were getting paid $48 an hour with the same hours.
This was at your basic ESL school which had a partnership with a local college. This is by no means the top of line school either, as it was my first job out of University.
I should also add that this school had pretty good benefits with health insurance, financial assistance for those who wanted to get their MAs in TESOL, fully paid for flights and accommodation for those who wanted to go get their CELTAs, on going professional development workshops, and overtime hours through extra tutoring for those who wanted them.
Many of my fellow classmates who graduated from the same course as me have indicated working in similar situations. Actually, from what I can tell, my $30 per hour was a little on the lower side.
I'm not sure where you taught, Ramen, but your single experience is not indicative of the overall situation of teaching ESL in the US. The fact that you stated you didn't hire MA TESOL holders shows that you were working at place that wouldn't be taken very seriously in the TESOL community. |
Like I stated, this was about ten years ago. Just one example I had seen FIRSTHAND where people were NOT getting dropped forty or fiifty USD per hour was a community resettlement program that offered English language classes for newly-arrived immigrants who were mid-or-Intermediate level speakers of English. The teachers were graduating students (who had to do a volunteer component in order to receive their Bachelor's....most had DEAD ZERO teaching or tutoring experience) provided by the local state University and the local 2-year Community College provided the rooms and teaching materials free of charge. This sort of set-up for ESL IS rather common in The States.....$30 - $50USD per-classroom-hour gigs for those who do not hold a Government Teacher's License are not.....
Currently? I haven't been back in the United States for about six years now, however I DO KNOW two people who I consider both friends and colleagues who are Yanks and both hold MAs in TESOL and one's in Taiwan and one's in BKK! No, they are NOT at $60,000USD/yr. International Schools, but rather they toil at normal standard English language centres, claiming that the salaries and wages they are receiving now are better than what they had seen offered in The States for individuals with similar credentials as theirs. |
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vabeckele
Joined: 19 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Like I stated, this was about ten years ago. Just one example I had seen FIRSTHAND where people were NOT getting dropped forty or fiifty USD per hour was a community resettlement program that offered English language classes for newly-arrived immigrants who were mid-or-Intermediate level speakers of English. The teachers were graduating students (who had to do a volunteer component in order to receive their Bachelor's....most had DEAD ZERO teaching or tutoring experience) provided by the local state University and the local 2-year Community College provided the rooms and teaching materials free of charge. This sort of set-up for ESL IS rather common in The States.....$30 - $50USD per-classroom-hour gigs for those who do not hold a Government Teacher's License are not.....
Currently? I haven't been back in the United States for about six years now, however I DO KNOW two people who I consider both friends and colleagues who are Yanks and both hold MAs in TESOL and one's in Taiwan and one's in BKK! No, they are NOT at $60,000USD/yr. International Schools, but rather they toil at normal standard English language centres, claiming that the salaries and wages they are receiving now are better than what they had seen offered in The States for individuals with similar credentials as theirs. |
This has been my understanding also. But, like you, I haven't been back home since 2005. |
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cb400
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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Location: Vientiane, Laos
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I think being able to work in a Vietnamese environment (experience abroad) teaching experience and qualifications is important.
Everything is a balance. |
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vabeckele
Joined: 19 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| To be stupid enough to get into this racket in the first place? |
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skarper
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I'm reconciled to the few pros and many cons. Frankly I lacked the talent and drive to do anything much else. And if you try to succeed in a more demanding field and fail you usually end up with all the debts, costs and downsides and have none of the rewards.
I am happy enough with my lot - but I know what I want out of life and I know what I don't want to have to do to get it .... |
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ExpatLuke
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