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Skeletor
Joined: 14 Jul 2013 Posts: 20
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Did they sign the new contract with TVTC yet?
Last time I heard TVTC wanted a curriculum from them. Have they managed to create a curriculum or is it the same old rubbish as last year? |
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Skeletor
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Terrible company. Stay away. |
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LPKSA
Joined: 02 Mar 2014 Posts: 211
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| I interviewed with them. They harassed me for weeks trying to get an interview with me via skype. You could smell their scam weeks in advance towards the interview. Shady shady shady. |
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Beast
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 120
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:09 am Post subject: Avoid |
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| Avoid, Don't go, Avoid, Don't go. Listen, Pay attention. Avoid |
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ttxor1
Joined: 04 Jan 2014 Posts: 119
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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it is clear to avoid this company. there has been much written on the contractual issues regarding INTERLINK , but I was wondering about the teaching and learning situation. In an email exchange, I asked what commercially published textbook they use. the response was:
INTERLINK does not use commercially published textbooks. We believe that learning is independent of an author's ability to predict student learning needs. It is the obligation -- the art and the science -- of the teacher to observe what students need and to guide them in discovering it. Most of the teaching materials used in class are created by, researched by, or brought in by students. We discourage teachers from explaining, telling, modeling, and lecturing. We encourage teachers to design learning experiences that enable students to discover for themselves the relevant language components (pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary, register, etc.) as well as the other, higher order thinking skills (describing without judgement, analysis from multiple perspectives, prediction, creativity, flexibility, tolerance for ambiguity, etc.). Additionally, as most students expect to work in Saudi Arabia, where command of English and Arabic is an employment advantage, the multicultural aspects of language in context are also considered.
based on my understanding, it seems like interlink at least partially follows the Natural Approach:
Objectives:
Designed to give beginners and intermediate learners basic communication skills. Four broad areas; basic personal communicative skills (oral/written); academic learning skills (oral/written)
Role of materials:
Materials come from realia rather then textbooks. Primary aim is to promote comprehension and communication;
Syllabus:
Based on a selection of communicative activities and topics derived from learner needs;
Activity types:
Activities allowing comprehensible input, about things in the here and now Focus on meaning not form...
(Designing Tasks for the Communicative classroom, by David Nunan, CUP)
I was just interested to get feedback from my fellow instructors about how this type of approach might actually work in their classrooms. What kinds of materials do the students bring in? What are some of the steps/procedures in this type of lesson? How would you transform their materials into work in communicative and academic learning skills? I imagine students perhaps bringing in a local (English language) newspaper clipping on something interesting to them, and then perhaps me encouraging them to develop a written response to it, give a presentation on it, ...and then maybe wrapping up with a mini lesson on frequent difficulties in meaning, pronunciation and form...? I am a relatively new teacher, and would like to learn more about methods to address the difficulties of students in the Gulf. Elsewhere on these forums it has been noted that reading and writing should be a focus, as well as issues related to Arabic-English interference. Does the approach described by the Interlink administrator help improve students' reading and writing skills? I guess having a range of "tools in one's methodological toolkit," is perhaps the best way to go...?
thanks!
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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The teachers that I knew from there over the last few years said that they taught as they did anywhere else, but you have to be able to talk the talk (the touchy feely approach) with admin... and then you go to class and teach the way you like. They used the materials they preferred to reach course goals. These were teachers with enough Gulf experience to know how to teach Arabic speakers.
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Beast
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 120
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: don't go |
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| Don't go! |
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mashkif
Joined: 17 Aug 2010 Posts: 178
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ttxor1 wrote: |
it is clear to avoid this company. there has been much written on the contractual issues regarding INTERLINK , but I was wondering about the teaching and learning situation. In an email exchange, I asked what commercially published textbook they use. the response was:
INTERLINK does not use commercially published textbooks. We believe that learning is independent of an author's ability to predict student learning needs. It is the obligation -- the art and the science -- of the teacher to observe what students need and to guide them in discovering it. Most of the teaching materials used in class are created by, researched by, or brought in by students. We discourage teachers from explaining, telling, modeling, and lecturing. We encourage teachers to design learning experiences that enable students to discover for themselves the relevant language components (pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary, register, etc.) as well as the other, higher order thinking skills (describing without judgement, analysis from multiple perspectives, prediction, creativity, flexibility, tolerance for ambiguity, etc.). Additionally, as most students expect to work in Saudi Arabia, where command of English and Arabic is an employment advantage, the multicultural aspects of language in context are also considered.
based on my understanding, it seems like interlink at least partially follows the Natural Approach:
Objectives:
[...]
I was just interested to get feedback from my fellow instructors about how this type of approach might actually work in their classrooms. What kinds of materials do the students bring in? What are some of the steps/procedures in this type of lesson? How would you transform their materials into work in communicative and academic learning skills? I imagine students perhaps bringing in a local (English language) newspaper clipping on something interesting to them, and then perhaps me encouraging them to develop a written response to it, give a presentation on it, ...and then maybe wrapping up with a mini lesson on frequent difficulties in meaning, pronunciation and form...? I am a relatively new teacher, and would like to learn more about methods to address the difficulties of students in the Gulf. Elsewhere on these forums it has been noted that reading and writing should be a focus, as well as issues related to Arabic-English interference. Does the approach described by the Interlink administrator help improve students' reading and writing skills? I guess having a range of "tools in one's methodological toolkit," is perhaps the best way to go...?
thanks!
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I think it is a wonderful idea. It certainly makes more sense to e.g.--
* Have low-level students pick an object or experience they find engaging, and describe it,
* Have intermediate-level students perform, say, a job interview role-play,
* Have high-level students research (and I mean truly research) a topic of their interest and present on it or hold like a panel discussion or debate--
than read, listen to, and answer questions about idiotic Headway dialogs of Molly and Sally discussing their forthcoming vacation plans in Key West.
The same, of course, goes for writing.
The idea is that the students continually use the language for completing as real-world tasks as possible, rather than merely processing contrived situations and trying to commit to memory lexicon and rules to later rehearse in an exam.
It should be noted that this approach necessitates a far greater degree of commitment, expertise, and preparation on the part of the instructor than does the traditional method of adhering to a textbook and going through the motions as directed by the accompanying instructor's manual (for which I personally have next-to zero respect). |
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rollingk
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 212
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| I think it is a wonderful idea. |
Yes, a wonderful IDEA. And having students who will actually participate is also a wonderful idea. However, given the inspired motivations of many students hereabouts I can imagine them having a ton of fun with you . . . but sadly not in learning the language.
As VS mentioned, you'll need to tailor for your students here, but also do what works for you. While there are both learner and teacher variability, both will be constrained by classroom culture or the lack thereof.
I did an interview with Interlink once a good while back and thought I'd fall of my chair in hysterical laughter before I could conclude the call. I'm glad it wasn't skype. At one point the interviewer became very quiet, so after a somewhat awkward silence, I asked if I might be permitted a few questions. At this point I was chidingly asked if I was uncomfortable with ambiguity. Apparently, I had come up short in some way; I'm not sure if my deficiency was in filling the silence or in wanting to ask questions. It was all so mysterious, silly and sophomoric. Imagine having to ride that ribbon bedecked ass day in and day out. |
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cultofpersonality
Joined: 12 Jan 2012 Posts: 94
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Communicative tasks with beginner level Saudi students could get very tricky. They need to be very motivated at first. If you're teaching at university level, motivated students are very hard to come by. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Saudi students are smart at BS-detection. They see through all this nonsense about "Communicative Teaching" ! |
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sicklyman
Joined: 02 Feb 2013 Posts: 930
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mashkif wrote: |
It certainly makes more sense to e.g.--
* Have low-level students pick an object or experience they find engaging, and describe it,
* Have intermediate-level students perform, say, a job interview role-play,
* Have high-level students research (and I mean truly research) a topic of their interest and present on it or hold like a panel discussion or debate-- |
er no, it doesn't make more sense at all. It entirely depends on the individuals you are teaching, as with all contexts anywhere. To demand that everyone practice the Communicative Approach no matter what is as irresponsible as insisting that everyone practice the Grammar Translation Method.
High level students truly researching topics of their interest? Are you kidding me. Whatever planet this is, I'm not sure. Doesn't sound like planet Saudi to me.  |
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Skeletor
Joined: 14 Jul 2013 Posts: 20
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately INTERLINK's system has no input and therefore you are constantly trying to get the students to express themselves with a limited knowledge of the language and no way to expand upon that limited knowledge base. It's crippling and useless for beginner students. |
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mashkif
Joined: 17 Aug 2010 Posts: 178
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Skeletor wrote: |
| Unfortunately INTERLINK's system has no input and therefore you are constantly trying to get the students to express themselves with a limited knowledge of the language and no way to expand upon that limited knowledge base. It's crippling and useless for beginner students. |
That is not true (well, I don't know about INTERLINK, so I refer to its system in general): Students are supposed to read, which is where they gradually acquire lexicon as well as syntactic structure and other grammar. There is also feedback in the aftermath of the activities and assignments they do, in which they are taught the missing vocabulary or led to correct their grammar.
That approach makes infinitely more sense to me than listening to and reading utterly vapid dialogs, and then filling in blanks in meaningless, decontextualized sentences.
Of course, it requires the learner to be motivated and independent, and it can be argued to what extent that is applicable to Saudi students. But do not dump on the method itself. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:12 am Post subject: |
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It is dispiriting to watch the newcomers with their enthusiasm for "Communicative Language Activities" try to cope with the realities of Saudi classrooms.
Saudi students can and do learn - but not necessarily in the way teachers have been trained ! |
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