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cb400
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The end is near.
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Foreigners who arrive in Vietnam to work must obtain a work permit before entering the country, according to the Bill on Entry, Exit and Residence of Foreigners in Vietnam.
This is one of the most important parts of the bill, which the National Assembly’s Standing Committee gave opinions on in their meeting on Tuesday.
After presenting the bill to the Committee, Deputy Minister of Public Security Bui Van Nam said the bill will create a legal framework for management and control over the entry, exit and residence of foreigners in Vietnam.
The field is now governed by the Ordinance on Entry, Exit and Residence of Foreigners in Vietnam, but this legal document has several loopholes that need to be addressed, Nam said.
One of the loopholes is that the Ordinance allows foreigners to apply for changes to their registered purpose of entry. Taking unfair advantage of this, many foreigners have arrived in Vietnam with a travel visa and then overstayed their visa to engage in work without a work permit, Nam said.
These foreigners include Chinese nationals who have worked on many projects developed by Chinese contractors nationwide, the official said.
In order to eliminate such a bad practice, Nam said, the bill stipulates that any foreigners who wish to have a paid job in Vietnam must obtain a work permit from a State agency in charge of labor management before they enter Vietnam.
However, the Bill also stipulates that in a number of specific cases, foreigners may be allowed to make changes to their registered purposes on entry, and such changes must be subject to regulations by the Government, Nam added.
Regarding the valid term of temporary residence cards for foreigners in Vietnam, Nam said the bill increases the term from three years to five years to make it convenient for foreigners who do business in the country.
NA Chairman Nguyen Sinh Hung said the bill must reflect the Party’s and State’s integration policies that help improve administrative procedures and calls for more foreign investment. However, the bill must be built carefully and closely to avoid being abused.
The bill is scheduled to be submitted to the 13th NA at its 6th session, and to be adopted at the next session, Nam said. |
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spycatcher reincarnated
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I believe the law already says a foreigner needs a work permit before they enter the country.
I wouldn't be worrying about this law whatsoever. Just yet another waste of paper. The only part of the economy that is doing anything positive is foreign invested companies so they are not going to be doing anything too stupid. |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Temporary Residence Cards are good for up to 5 years now? That's awesome. |
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skarper
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All these official ruminations seem to be aimed at Chinese construction workers rather than people teaching English.
Since most people teaching don't have work permits anyway and are just working on tourist or business visas it barely matters anyway.
More smoke without fire. |
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cb400
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I am sure it is just another stupid law that won't be enforced, but my school does seem spooked. The owner of my school whom I have been friends with for years says she is noticing the more anti-foreigner propaganda at the ministry of educations and she does worry about many foreigners leaving... and not enough coming to replace them. I have confirmed this in Hanoi with several businesses I am dealing with, but I think HCMC will be different.
For me the visa situation was just one piece of the shit pie and I am leaving VN for good after 7 years... enough is enough. |
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ExpatLuke
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I'm a little confused as to why this is what made you throw in the towel. It doesn't seem to effect people who are already in the country at all. It actually seems to be something good for us teachers who are already here.
IF this law actually has an effect on teachers, it seems it just makes it more difficult for new teachers to come into the country. That should make the demand for us go up along with pay and benefits.
The increase on the Temporary Residence card is also something that's good for us. That just as good as the 5 year marriage exemption now if you have a stable job.
I just don't see how this is going to negatively effect established teachers. |
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cb400
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Sorry I wasn't clear. I had made my mind up a while ago, it wasn't this..but the visa situation thing as a whole does play some part. To be honest, I can't stand the Hanoi people..they are the rudest, impolite people I have ever met and I have traveled a lot. Watching a guy in black SUV run a red light hit a family crossing though and getting out to check his bumper, while a child he splattered across the road was ignored did it for me (and no one even moved to help the innocent family). That combined with the shitty environment, deceitful schools and the rest of it has led to the decision.
Back to topic, anyone know why or how all these Chinese workers are getting in? There must be VN labours that would take these jobs? |
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I'm With Stupid
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Back to topic, anyone know why or how all these Chinese workers are getting in? There must be VN labours that would take these jobs? |
It's the same everywhere isn't it? Chinese companies always seem to hire their own people when there'd be plenty of locals willing to do the job. You see it in Africa in these "infrastructure for minerals" deals, where they build a new road, and bring over all of the workers from China, despite there being plenty of Africans that would no doubt do it for cheaper. Quite ironic given their insistence that any foreign investment in China has to involve teaching local people. |
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mark_in_saigon
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uhhgg, my lunch was still settling (or trying to) when I read that.
Well, not really on topic, but why would you not come back and try HCMC?
I do find that we can still have a great life in HCMC, though I believe that is true with most of VN, if we have the right profile. We all have to put up with some nasty stuff, no doubt, and that is true nationwide. Still, for SOME profiles, HN could still be a better location, though I think most would agree with you on which location is naturally ruder.
One of the VN who does a lot of hiring up there recently told me that she finds serious teachers are leaving due to various difficulties, including not being able to find one job to make as their home. Pretty hard to scramble from place to place up there. In the past, the better jobs made it worth being there for some. That may be degrading. But if one is in the right situation, the north can be even more fun that the south, though I think for most of us that is not the case. |
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cb400
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I did a year in HCMC and I definitely think it has some advantages, one being the people are not so rude and in your face all the time. I just came to the conclusion that I don't need to put up with all the aggro... I have a good CV, years of teaching and management training and a solid background from home so why deal with all the BS in VN? I understand for many people they enjoy it, but I find 2-3 years is most peoples limit. The guy I rent my motorbike from says he has a 40% reduction in business (99% foreigner) and not so many coming in to replace them. HCMC was ok, but the work is generally lower paying ( a signification amount) and driving around that big mess of a city in that traffic is soul destroying. Add that to the worsening crime and pollution, it is time to go.
There are many beautiful places out there to live and work to stay in a place that is so difficult for most of us. |
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ExpatLuke
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Sorry I wasn't clear. I had made my mind up a while ago, it wasn't this..but the visa situation thing as a whole does play some part. To be honest, I can't stand the Hanoi people..they are the rudest, impolite people I have ever met and I have traveled a lot. Watching a guy in black SUV run a red light hit a family crossing though and getting out to check his bumper, while a child he splattered across the road was ignored did it for me (and no one even moved to help the innocent family). That combined with the shitty environment, deceitful schools and the rest of it has led to the decision.
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Understandable. I also hated Hanoi when I was living there. The people there really do think they are better than everyone else. I haven't spent much time in the south, but the central regions have been great to me. I won't be leaving any time soon. Even if Danang gets to the point where it's overcrowded and stifling like Hanoi was, I'll just move 20 minutes down the coast to Hoi An. |
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Riding One
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| cb400 wrote: |
| I am sure it is just another stupid law that won't be enforced, but my school does seem spooked. The owner of my school whom I have been friends with for years says she is noticing the more anti-foreigner propaganda at the ministry of educations and she does worry about many foreigners leaving... and not enough coming to replace them. I have confirmed this in Hanoi with several businesses I am dealing with, but I think HCMC will be different. |
Hanoi does seem to be more "odd" than Saigon. The Northern mentality and the government.
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For me the visa situation was just one piece of the shit pie and I am leaving VN for good after 7 years... enough is enough. |
What is the current visa situation, cb400?
3 months are still available? Can they be renewed without having to do a run? |
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Tigerstyleone
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| oh no, this is bad news for teachers. |
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cb400
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What is the current visa situation, cb400?
3 months are still available? Can they be renewed without having to do a run? |
From what I understand you can extend a 3 month in country once or twice and then its time for a run. A 3 month multiple costs 260!! USD at the moment.
I would love to work in Danang or Hoi Am, I've never seen much work advertised in those areas. I guess you need to be on the ground there? |
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SeldomSeen
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| From what I understand you can extend a 3 month in country once or twice and then its time for a run. A 3 month multiple costs 260!! USD at the moment. |
I have a six month multiple entry visa (renewed three months ago) and the cost was 135USD. That's what was stamped in my passport and my employer organised it so I'm assuming that was the true cost. I have a work permit however, maybe the cost is different if you don't have one.
We've just had a number of new teachers join and I haven't heard anything about new visa rules. Teachers also regularly have to renew their six month visas and I haven't heard of any problems with those either. |
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