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skarper
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I would agree with the above.
I think you need to budget to live on savings to some degree for 3-6 months in Danang before you can expect to make what you would in Hanoi or HCMC almost right away - say after 3-6 weeks there.
Fewer jobs, more competition and less turnover of foreigners are the reasons.
Ideally I'd say start in HCMC and then move later on to Danang if you can get a transfer or if you can't handle the big cities but still want to be in Vietnam. |
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Mushroom Druid
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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As for statistic, an ever increasing number of tourists have been coming to Vietnam year after year, even though there is a global slowdown in many areas.
Then why is this?
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I suspect the same is happening in Vietnam as the US. The US is producing to many college graduates and not enough jobs to keep up. As well, there are just too many students studying liberal arts instead of something useful while racking up massive student loan debt. I read somewhere that nowadays, average college student would graduate with 30k-40k dollars debt. Now, with flood of liberal arts degree, what would you do to payoff your student loan? lucky for the US citizens, they can go overseas to TEACH ENGLISH. But unfortunately, for most of these young viet college graduates, their employment market is limited only in their country while most good paying jobs are only offered to selected few in society. |
I agree with your points Ramen, but my question was rhetorical.
The govt. lies about tourism numbers and other statistics. I believe that govt. agencies are really not capable of getting statistics in most cases.
And true, the economic downturn in VN is affecting Uni grads from all fields. |
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I'm With Stupid
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| She is the first person from her family ever to go to university. She hoped her degree in hotel management would lead to a good job, but she has seen the job opportunities dry up. |
That's not necessarily evidence of a failing sector though. When I first came to Vietnam, I was told stories about graduates in all sorts of disciplines ending up working in the big hotels because they paid so much more than the areas they actually studied. I'm sure this sort of news didn't escape Vietnamese kids deciding what to study either. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a big uptake in hospitality studies. And like economics students in the West hoping to get into banking, they might find themselves disappointed when students from apparently unrelated sectors are favoured for positions (from what I hear, you're more likely to get into the big banks with computer science or physics than you are with economics).
I teach a lot of university students and I regularly find myself thinking "how many economics graduates can one country need?" I very rarely come across a student who is studying something that isn't directly linked to a particular job, with the express expectation that they'll get that job upon completion. It's an attitude that has crept into US and UK campuses in recent years too, but historically, university hasn't been about training people for a particular job.
Anyway, I'm not saying it isn't true, just that there might be other explanations. |
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Mushroom Druid
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm With Stupid wrote: |
| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
| She is the first person from her family ever to go to university. She hoped her degree in hotel management would lead to a good job, but she has seen the job opportunities dry up. |
That's not necessarily evidence of a failing sector though. When I first came to Vietnam, I was told stories about graduates in all sorts of disciplines ending up working in the big hotels because they paid so much more than the areas they actually studied. I'm sure this sort of news didn't escape Vietnamese kids deciding what to study either. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a big uptake in hospitality studies. And like economics students in the West hoping to get into banking, they might find themselves disappointed when students from apparently unrelated sectors are favoured for positions (from what I hear, you're more likely to get into the big banks with computer science or physics than you are with economics).
I teach a lot of university students and I regularly find myself thinking "how many economics graduates can one country need?" I very rarely come across a student who is studying something that isn't directly linked to a particular job, with the express expectation that they'll get that job upon completion. It's an attitude that has crept into US and UK campuses in recent years too, but historically, university hasn't been about training people for a particular job.
Anyway, I'm not saying it isn't true, just that there might be other explanations. |
I agree with you 100%.
Not long ago, Business Adminstration was (and perhaps still is) the popular major. Many students stuying this field. At times, we would ask students why, or what the motivation is for business adminstration (in addition to getting a job or course) and a common answer was "because my parents told me too."
Oh, boy....
The Viethnamese Uni students do seem pragmatic and job-oriented when it comes to the field they study, in contrast to my American friends who majored in Italian, or the humanities - which I think is important and I respect. |
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Ramen
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| True. But viet university students with decent ENGLISH skills would have more choices on their employment menu. No ENGRISH? Most will end up doing manual labor. |
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Mushroom Druid
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| True. But viet university students with decent ENGLISH skills would have more choices on their employment menu. No ENGRISH? Most will end up doing manual labor. |
True. |
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1st Sgt Welsh
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TRH
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lenny321
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Looks like the taxi drivers teamed up to beat the crap out of the truck driver. And (seemingly) none of the bystanders did anything to stop them.
I also read about the American teacher who was run over and killed by a truck. Tragic. Fatal accidents happen on a daily basis in Saigon, and it's usually "David vs Goliath" situations (motorbike vs car/bus/truck). This city really needs proper public transportation. |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, don't mess with those taxi drivers. Especially if you speak enough of the language to insult them properly. I've heard several stories about something as simple as a security guard telling a taxi he couldn't park in front of a local business, escalating into verbal insults, and finally into the taxi driver getting several of his taxi driver buddies together and coming back to beat the security guard to the point of being hospitalized. |
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VietCanada
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Wayne was a really decent guy. He was one of those rare people that everyone likes. The kind of man that many would say the world doesn't have enough of. His colleagues and students miss him. He had just bought a house after living and working here for 15+ years. He loved bicycling. We are all poorer for his absence. |
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cb400
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There is a video of this this somewhere but I cannot find it. I 've seen taxi drivers and construction workers go at it once... like a pack of animals...running up behind each other with shovels, throwing bricks...insane... couple dead guys in that one.
My condolences to the teacher on the bike, we all know these idiot drivers could care less about others lives. |
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lenny321
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@Vietcanada: Thank you for telling us a little about Wayne. I didn't know him, but reading about that accident made me very sad. I already wanted to ask if anybody here knew him a few days ago.
Every accident is one too many, of course. I just don't get how a truck can run over a guy on a bicycle like that. I mean, if you're just cycling along, how unpredictable can your movements be for other motorized vehicles?
Maybe the truck driver was careful and it "just" happened. Still, too many drivers take unnecessary risks just to gain a few seconds until the next red traffic light, not thinking or caring enough about what is at stake. |
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spycatcher reincarnated
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I knew Wayne soon after he first arrived in Vietnam. He was a really good guy. I lost touch with him for about 10 years then bumped in to him a few times in District 7. Still a very nice guy and a great loss.
Does anyone know if there is a service of some kind? |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| spycatcher reincarnated wrote: |
I knew Wayne soon after he first arrived in Vietnam. He was a really good guy. I lost touch with him for about 10 years then bumped in to him a few times in District 7. Still a very nice guy and a great loss.
Does anyone know if there is a service of some kind? |
There was a funeral Thursday morning. I don't know if there is a VN ceremony. I will try to find out and post in the am.
I worked with him a few years ago and ran into him a couple times since. He really was a decent guy. Everybody respected him. |
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