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RL
Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 30
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:53 pm Post subject: Thoughts on This MA |
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I am considering doing this MA and wanted to get the forum's opinion as to whether it would be useful/open doors in the teaching world. I could do it while I maintain my current full-time job (it is offered at the university in the town in which I live), and it would take 7 semesters to complete. It is officially called "MAED:English as a Second Language." It takes 33 course hours to complete;however, it does not provide state certification, in that it would not allow me to teach ESL in my state K-12 schools. The director of the program told me it would allow me to work in English language institutes at various colleges in the States. My main motivation for doing it would be to open doors/allow for advancement abroad. Here is a list and description of the courses:
1) Second Language Acquisition - the course provides an in-depth look at major theories of second language acquisition. Students explore learning environments, programs, home language, culture, and other factors that influence second language acquisition.
2) Grammar for ESL Teachers - this course is a critical study of aspects of modern English grammar important for the teaching of English as a second language (ESL) or Foreign Language (EFL).
3) Phonology for ESL Teachers - this learner-centered course is an introduction to phonology and its application to the teaching of English as a second or foreign language.
4) Teaching English in a Global Context - this course provies a sociolinguistic perspective on the globalization of English and on the emergence and teaching of English as an international language.
5) Teaching Adult Language Learners - this course introduces goals, principles, and practices for teaching English to adult learners, addresses the influence of varying backgrounds on adult language learning, and examines ways to evaluate adults' second language development.
6) Methods for Teaching English as an International Language - this course prepares students to teach English as an international language by using methods, strategies, and techniques appropriate for adults in ESL contexts and for all learners in EFL contexts.
7) Instruction and Assessment: Reading and Writing - this course addresses linguistic, sociocultural, psychological, and educational factors that affect literacy development of English as an additional language.
Instruction and Assessment: Listening and Speaking - this course examines how spoken communication is structured so that it is socially appropriate and linguistically accurate.
9) Field Studies in Teaching/Learning ESL - prospective ESL/EFL teachers shadow instructors of ESL classes or of graduate classes in academic English and/or provide one-on-one instruction to international scholars and students.
10) Practicum Seminar in Adult English Language Teaching - this inquiry-focused course guides emerging teachers in experiencing the differentiated facets of working in adult ESL and EFL environments. Students must log 100 clock hours in classrooms, English language teaching institutions, and in research.
11) ESL Practicum: Adult ELLs - after doing structured observations of professional ESL educators and participating in the corresponding debriefings, apprentice teachers engage in the full scope of ESL teaching activities. They plan and deliver lessons, evaluate learners and their language development, and conduct managerial tasks and other appropriate duties. Students must log 100 clock hours to pass.
In addition to the above, students must complete 100 hours of "pre-practicum" hours co-teaching in the university's English conversation classes, tutoring adult English learners or observing ESL teachers. This pre-practicum experience is to begin with the first course listed above.
Thank you in advance for any thoughts/opinions you may share on this MA.
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on This MA |
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RL wrote: |
I am considering doing this MA and wanted to get the forum's opinion as to whether it would be useful/open doors in the teaching world. |
Looks good, especially because it includes a practical component. But what made you think this program wouldn't be useful? What countries do you expect to teach in?
Anyway, a thread you might want to check out, What do you look for in a BA or MA degree program? (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=95138). |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 13 Jun 2013 Posts: 133
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Looks really interesting if I am being honest, I would love to get stuck into some of those modules than the complete and utter dirge I had to study. |
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RL
Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 30
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Nomad Soul: Thank you for the reply and the link to the other thread. I will read through it.
As to your questions, I thought it would have some use, but didn't know if it would be worth it from a time perspective, and it if would allow me to progress up the ladder so to speak. As to where I want to teach, don't know, maybe Eastern Europe, Turkey, Middle East.
Thanks again for your help. |
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RL
Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 30
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Nomad Soul: to further answer your question, I would like to know if this MA would open the door to teaching in U.S. International schools. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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International schools sometimes hire some EFL teachers, but the bigger focus is firmly on core subjects; they usually want teachers who are certified to teach a core subject (math, science, etc.) in their home countries, and with a couple years of experience doing that, at least.
It's fairly rare for an EFL/ESL MA to find an international school position, I believe, though not unheard of. Not sure I'd personally pursue this degree with the goal of an international school gig in mind. |
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RL
Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 30
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Spiral78! |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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RL wrote: |
Nomad Soul: to further answer your question, I would like to know if this MA would open the door to teaching in U.S. International schools. |
US international schools? I think you mean international schools following an American curriculum. You'd have to do research on the required teaching qualifications based on where you want to teach. But if you're eying the Mid East, you'd need a teaching license from the US (relevant to your degree subject) + a couple of years' teaching experience (in that subject) under your belt. Check out Teachaway's site for more info about qualifications. To teach at the university level in the Mid East, a relevant MA + a minimum of 3 years of experience at the tertiary level (post-degree) are generally required. |
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rtm
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 1003 Location: US
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on This MA |
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The program looks pretty well-rounded. It's good that it includes classes on assessment, SLA theory, and a practicum.
RL wrote: |
The director of the program told me it would allow me to work in English language institutes at various colleges in the States. My main motivation for doing it would be to open doors/allow for advancement abroad. |
An MA like this is the minimum requirement for a job at an IEP (intensive English program) at US universities and colleges. With just the MA (and no experience, especially post-MA), it would not be easy to get a job in such a program, though. Most people teaching in IEPs teach abroad for a few years after the MA (and sometimes that's even a requirement for jobs at IEPs in the US). It might be possible to get a full-time job in an IEP at a small college in a rural, not-so-desirable place. It is possible to get some experience as an adjunct for a few years and then try for the full-time positions.
As for teaching abroad, as others have said, the requirements really vary by country (in some countries, you barely need a BA to teach at a university, whereas in others, just an MA alone won't get you an interview -- most places are somewhere in between). Also, having a target country in mind would really help you to focus your studies in your MA program (e.g., if you are targeting someplace in the Middle East, you might want to do your papers on academic reading and writing for Arabic speakers). It might be good to look through (and/or post in) some of the country-specific forums.
It might also help us to know what you mean by "open doors/allow for advancement abroad" or to "progress up the ladder". There are a few different avenues that one can take in EFL/ESL teaching, not a single ladder. So, what kind of teaching situation do you want to aim for? |
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RL
Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 30
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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RTM - thanks for the reply. Thanks for the info about getting a job at an IEP. As to your question, I will answer it in a round about way. I read a lot on this forum that the TEFL certificate is the minimum for the TEFL industry and with it, one is limited to their career options. I would like to do this MA for really 2 reasons: 1) it would allow me to get started in the conversation classes right away to let me know if language teaching is something I like to do (as opposed to dropping everything and heading overseas only to discover I don't like it) (my current career is not related to teaching at all); and 2) it would allow, hopefully, for more career opportunities than just the TEFL certificate. Whether those other career opportunities are in a university, private company, language school, international school (doubt it), I just don't know, that is one of the reasons I posted on here.
Again, much thanks to all who have taken the time to read my lengthy original post and provide a reply. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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RL wrote: |
I would like to do this MA for really 2 reasons: 1) it would allow me to get started in the conversation classes right away to let me know if language teaching is something I like to do (as opposed to dropping everything and heading overseas only to discover I don't like it) (my current career is not related to teaching at all) |
No need to wait to start your MA to decide if you'd like TESOL. Before taking the plunge into teaching, I volunteer taught as a classroom tutor at a couple of my local nonprofit ESL refugee and adult literacy organizations. I eventually ended up teaching my own summer class---conversation and citizenship topics---for a full six weeks with the support of one of the lead teachers. I committed to 3 months but put in 8 months total. I discovered I enjoyed teaching and subsequently, started researching master's programs to help me transition from a non-academic (legal) field and into education.
Another option you can consider before enrolling in a degree program is to check out the activities sponsored by your state TESOL affiliate. For example, do an internet search on [your state's name] tesol. There are usually events and workshops happening throughout the year you could attend. It's also a great way to network---maybe even hook up with seasoned teachers whose classrooms you could observe.
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2) it would allow, hopefully, for more career opportunities than just the TEFL certificate. Whether those other career opportunities are in a university, private company, language school, international school (doubt it), I just don't know, that is one of the reasons I posted on here. |
For the Mid East---particularly the Gulf region---you'd be looking at teaching in a university foundation year program, which accounts for the majority of teaching jobs. Employers in this region want to see graduate-level training and/or experience in curriculum design, teaching writing, using technology for learning and teaching, test assessment and creation, etc. There are also military/government contracts as well as oil company teaching jobs. Language schools exist but are mostly staffed by BA holders who are hired locally, which means less money and zero benefits. There are some private companies, but it seems the function of teaching corporate types are now being handled by university continuing education departments. An area you might focus on is English for Specific Purposes (ESP), which includes business English, English for tourism, aviation English, English for legal purposes, and so on. Again, this would be for the Gulf. |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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RL wrote: |
and it if would allow me to progress up the ladder so to speak. |
That is the fuzzy part... I am not sure what you mean by "up the ladder" (and I assumed you meant career advancement).
If you mean into further academia, it is a step.
It is (as long as it is properly peer reviewed and accredited) as valid as any other related MA.
Do you want to spend your life as a lecturer, researcher or work toward your PhD and then ??? ?
If you mean into better paying jobs then yes. It will get you on the way to a job in the middle east. Are those "better" jobs... I'm not sure. I wouldn't work there.
If you want to go mainstream (as in K-12) then (depending on your undergrad) it is probably not in the right direction and won't open doors to all of those highly competitive "International School" positions since no licensure as a teacher will follow your completion of the program.
IF you are going to undertake post graduate studies then YOU should look at what YOU want to do in terms of career paths and career destinations (not just location). It is a lot of money to spend on something ethereal like "up the ladder".
Once you figure out what "up the ladder" means then accurate advice is easy to give. (unless of course you are like some of us and just like to accumulate sheepskins for their own value).
ttompatz
BA, B.Sc., B.Com, MA, MBA, ABD.
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rtm
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 1003 Location: US
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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RL wrote: |
1) it would allow me to get started in the conversation classes right away to let me know if language teaching is something I like to do (as opposed to dropping everything and heading overseas only to discover I don't like it) (my current career is not related to teaching at all) |
This is interesting. I think most people would recommend doing this the other way around -- get some experience and see if you like teaching English before you invest the time and money in doing a masters in it.
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2) it would allow, hopefully, for more career opportunities than just the TEFL certificate. Whether those other career opportunities are in a university, private company, language school, international school (doubt it), I just don't know, that is one of the reasons I posted on here. |
It might be good to get a better understanding of the field before you start a graduate degree in it. I say that because an MA won't help you for some of the things you listed. If you do the MA, and then, for example, decide you want to teach in a language school, the MA will, basically, have been wasted (as a qualification -- I'm sure you'll pick up useful knowledge from it). To "progress up the ladder" in language schools (for example, to a Director of Studies position) does not typically involve getting an MA. |
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RL
Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 30
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Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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So I started the Master's program described above. I'm taking the first course, Second Language Acquisition. I must admit. I don't like it. Too theoretical for my taste. Once a week, though, we (students in the MA program) teach a English conversation class to local ELL's in the community. So far, I enjoy the conversation classes and interacting with the students. My question to the forum is whether a TEFL course is concerned more with teaching students the practical aspects of teaching, like, here's how you create a lesson plan, as opposed to the theoretical aspects of learning a second langue?
Thanks.
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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My question to the forum is whether a TEFL course is concerned more with teaching students the practical aspects of teaching, like, here's how you create a lesson plan, |
Yes. Assuming it's a good, on-site one that involves actual teaching practice. Some of the online courses (even those with short onsite components) have more focus on how to get a job and live overseas. |
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