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Tigerstyleone
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 Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:59 pm Post subject: University Degree Required for Foreign Teachers |
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The department of education has announced that foreign teachers of all subjects must have a notarized university diploma from their native country to get a work permit.
Transcripts may be provided to the notary in order to get the stamp. |
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skarper
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| A degree was always needed - is the 'notarization' the new thing? |
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I'm With Stupid
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| Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I think that has always been the case. Presumably it's another announcement along the lines of "we really mean it this time." |
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cb400
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:27 am Post subject: |
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tiger is on his campaign to rid Vietnam of all teachers without a degree. This guy must be a real treat to work with.
What a useless, stupid thread. Whats next 'All drivers need a license to operate a motorbike in Vietnam?' |
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Tigerstyleone
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| skarper wrote: |
| A degree was always needed - is the 'notarization' the new thing? |
Yes, the degree must be notarized and if the name on the degree doesn't match the name on your passport you will need an affidavit that says the name on the degree is the same person as on your passport. You know how your passport has surname first then first name followed by middle name, and diplomas usually have first middle and last. So there it is.
The embassy will then stamp the back of your diploma and affidavit. |
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cb400
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| at least 65% of the teachers in Hanoi do not have a degree. |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Tigerstyleone wrote: |
| skarper wrote: |
| A degree was always needed - is the 'notarization' the new thing? |
Yes, the degree must be notarized and if the name on the degree doesn't match the name on your passport you will need an affidavit that says the name on the degree is the same person as on your passport. You know how your passport has surname first then first name followed by middle name, and diplomas usually have first middle and last. So there it is.
The embassy will then stamp the back of your diploma and affidavit. |
It's been like that for awhile now... at least over a year. I had to do that for my current school. |
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Mattingly
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This rule has existed for some time. Doesn't mean it's always followed but it seems more and more schools are asking for notarization.
Also, does anyone notice the TNH has disappeared? I hope it's just a technical problem.
It literally does not exist. |
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cb400
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| TNH is up this morning. |
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Professional TEFLer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:17 am Post subject: Re: University Degree Required for Foreign Teachers |
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| Tigerstyleone wrote: |
The department of education has announced that foreign teachers of all subjects must have a notarized university diploma from their native country to get a work permit.
Transcripts may be provided to the notary in order to get the stamp. |
I thought the majority of "teachers" in HCMC had no degree to begin with. Would this really be enforced and if so, wouldn't that cause places like HCMC to lose most of their "teachers"? |
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cb400
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:53 am Post subject: Re: University Degree Required for Foreign Teachers |
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| Professional TEFLer wrote: |
| Tigerstyleone wrote: |
The department of education has announced that foreign teachers of all subjects must have a notarized university diploma from their native country to get a work permit.
Transcripts may be provided to the notary in order to get the stamp. |
I thought the majority of "teachers" in HCMC had no degree to begin with. Would this really be enforced and if so, wouldn't that cause places like HCMC to lose most of their "teachers"? |
Not only that. But these 'centers' are what pays all the bribe and 'tea' money to the education department. They are not going to cut off the hand that feeds them. |
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mark_in_saigon
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:28 am Post subject: degrees |
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| Don't know where you guys are getting your info, but I have never seen any documentation pointing towards a majority of teachers in HCMC not having degrees. From my knowledge, including a little sampling I did recently, the number would be well over 80% having degrees. Not to say how much they learned, but they do mostly have them. The big majority also have some sort of TESOL certification as well, not mostly the CELTA though. I came up with 12.5% not having degrees and 20% percent not having a TESOL. |
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cb400
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| I am not using any facts in my assumptions, just based on my experience and what I see on the CV's coming in. |
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vabeckele
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| cb400 wrote: |
| I am not using any facts in my assumptions, just based on my experience and what I see on the CV's coming in. |
I would guess it would depend on where the info comes from. If it is coming from those foreign run places that won't budge on the degree and cert thing, then of course those stats are skewed. |
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mark_in_saigon
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| If you look at the raw data from resumes when seeking teachers for advertised jobs, the number lacking a degree is rather small, less than 20%. Whether or not those folks learned much in their programs is another question. This is HCMC, cannot say much about HN, though I do not expect the number to be substantially different. In the past, the perception was that HCMC appealed more to the younger and less serious teachers. |
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