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Old Boss Wont Give Release Letter. What to do?
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Sarcastro



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:41 am    Post subject: Old Boss Wont Give Release Letter. What to do? Reply with quote

Pretty much as the title says. He tells me that I can just go and do what I want and the new boss says that I can just come over to her and there will be no problems.

This is completely contrary to everything I've read. What is a boy to do?
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it a shot and see if it works.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please please please contact the Chinese Foreign Teachers Union and give us a blow by blow report of how they deal with this issue. They claim to have lots of legal prowess in such disputes.

Just click on any recent thread for their details.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zing! Denim-Maniac.
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BlueBlood



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please help out newbie:

Only FT's switching jobs within China need release letters, correct?

Is the purpose of a release letter to avert the need for a new Z-visa?

So if an FT gets a release letter from school A, and gets hired by school B, he/she needn't fly home or a to a third country, and/or apply for new Z-visa, btw jobs?

Thanks for everyone's patience. I've not been to China in a few years and have never worked there before.

OP, I hope this works out for you and please keep us posted on the board.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he/she needn't fly home or a to a third country, and/or apply for new Z-visa, btw jobs?


If the resident permit hasn't expired, yes.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

long, long ago, in ancient times even, when china was still commienist,
the gub'mint controlled everything about the peopleses liveses.
everything was documented, and you hadda get permission to do
just about anything (except poop in the streets, of course! that
freedom has always been there for the, um..............taking.)

one of those permission thingies you would need was permission to
change employers. well, actually change branches, since there was
only one massive red employer. so...you would get permission in the
form of a release letter.

the chinese are a traditional folk. if something has always been done
that way, it's really hard to change, and some thingies hang around longer
than they should. one of those thingies is the release letter. it'll go
away someday, to be replace with letters of recommendation.

but here's a question for language mill types......do you guys need
release letters? or is that a requirement only for switching to or
between gob'ming jobs?
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
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he/she needn't fly home or a to a third country, and/or apply for new Z-visa, btw jobs?


If the resident permit hasn't expired, yes.


Unless the teacher will go to a tourist visa and then get a new Z visa in Hong Kong.

This involves the stupid procedure of school 2 fulfilling its promise for flight airfare at the beginning of a contract period but telling the teacher in order to get the Z visa they must return again to Hong Kong (on their dime this time).

Another teacher at my school is doing exactly this. Best advice, sort your issues out 3 months before your residence permit expires or else you will be...............


S-O-R-R-Y
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muffintop



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:


but here's a question for language mill types......do you guys need
release letters? or is that a requirement only for switching to or
between gob'ming jobs?


Required.

Nice long long ago story....but I think you know it may not be accurate since you've been around here for some time. When I first came here less than 4 years ago a release letter was NOT needed. Perhaps it was simply not enforced though or not enforced uniformly in the past. Pretty sure there is a track record of that behavior here so....who knows maybe you are spot on.
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A release letter and a recommendation letter are 2 different things. Perhaps finishing a contract and showing only a few days left on your residence permit might convince the PSB to process paperwork with a new school. However, if your contract period is not coming up and you have months left on your residence permit, the PSB is more likely to request a release letter.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find out where your city's Foreign Affairs Office is. It's usually located in the main PSB building and/or city hall. Your local office will straighten out your school's FAO pronto.

While I advocate going along with your FAO's scheme and not making waves, you may find yourself out of time.
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Bolt



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are talking about release letters the law say they MUST be provided - even if you are fired. I had a similar situation in 2010 and after two weeks of asking and then almost begging, I made formal complaints with SAFEA and the CFTU. My release letter was sent to me via courier less than a week after I made the complaints. Maybe you should look at this link: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/2013/09/scam-alert-for-china-foreign-teachers.html
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SAFEA is as helpful as a toothless, deaf, farting and sleeping dog.
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Bolt



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
SAFEA is as helpful as a toothless, deaf, farting and sleeping dog.


Not when you go there in person an say "I am filing a formal complaint" and you ask evryone for their names. Chinese may not give a damn about us but they sure worry about their precious jobs!

The CFTU gets these guys to do stuff to help, but it takes a personal appearance at their hidden office at the Friendhsip Hotel (bldg. 6 - first floor - not the address that is advertised)
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pennywise



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bolt wrote:
The CFTU gets these guys to do stuff to help, but it takes a personal appearance at their hidden office at the Friendhsip Hotel (bldg. 6 - first floor - not the address that is advertised)


I thought it was the 7.5 floor?
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