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Living in Vietnam - without motorbike?!?!
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What is the best option for a couple without two motorbikes in HCMC?
Use some combination of bus, taxi, bicycle, and possibly one motorbike
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Try finding work in a smaller Vietnamese city where you won't need one
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Vietnam isn't for you. Go to China, Taiwan, etc
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cb400



Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with luke, having your own bike..anything cuts down on the stress of dealing with arsehole taxi's and exoms. Saves a pile of cash that you can spend on your bike anyway Smile

Why don't you get a bike and your gf find another way? You 2 might be working at separate places?

Coming to Vietnam and being afraid of motorbikes, is like being a lifeguard and scared of water.
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vabeckele



Joined: 19 Nov 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb400 wrote:
Coming to Vietnam and being afraid of motorbikes, is like being a lifeguard and scared of water.



I don't think anyone on this board could have said it better.
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SeldomSeen



Joined: 07 Feb 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here for six months now with just a bicycle. No problem at all.

Some people comment that they are no safer, and possibly less safe than a motorbike. I can't say that I agree. As a very experienced cyclist I think that 99.9% of the incidents I see on the roads are due to stupidity and incompetence (which is widespread in VN and far worse than almost anywhere else I have been). Of course, I can't do anything about the guy that rides into me but I'm going slower and have a lot more time to see and expect what's coming. Vietnam is never a relaxing place to cycle as you have to be constantly switched on, just as you would in any vehicle. I read a comment that other vehicles might not hear you as you're silent (just like those electric cycles that are growing in use). How can anyone hear themselves think for the near constant cacophony of car horns around here?

Don't rule out a bicycle. Of course, get lights if you ride at night.
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I'm With Stupid



Joined: 03 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend getting your own transport whatever it is. I know a few people who've relied on xe oms and your general commuting can be fine once you get a reliable driver who you can text when you want to go, but it works out far more expensive than even renting. And then for anything else, you have to deal with the hassle of negotiating and drivers taking you the wrong way to earn extra money. Then there's the possibility of getting a drunk driver, and for women, there's the not insignificant possibility of being sexually harassed by a xe om driver.

For motorbike driving, the key thing is to make sure you're covered by insurance. So either get a licence or drive something below 50cc (of which there are many interesting options). A less powerful bike also means you're less likely to lose control of it, and will be going slower if you crash.
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alohahapa



Joined: 22 May 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The traffic here in Ho Chi Minh is terrible. It gets worse if it is raining or there is an event or accident.
Many motorists do not follow the laws like riding opposite direction or on sidewalks. Sidewalks here also are in bad shape and you will find many vendors, motorbikes, etc. I have to always walk around them.
I pray every time I have to cross a busy street because even if you are on a crosswalk, motorists will keep going.

I know some Viet Kieus who do not own a motorbike. Some of them bought a car or took taxis.
They know the statistics of accidents that happen daily.

I get around by bus or xe om because it is cheaper and I don’t have to worry about parking.
I would only buy a motorbike to go short distances to do some grocery shopping, gym, etc.
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Roth



Joined: 01 Sep 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With Stupid wrote:
I'd recommend getting your own transport whatever it is. I know a few people who've relied on xe oms and your general commuting can be fine once you get a reliable driver who you can text when you want to go, but it works out far more expensive than even renting. And then for anything else, you have to deal with the hassle of negotiating and drivers taking you the wrong way to earn extra money. Then there's the possibility of getting a drunk driver, and for women, there's the not insignificant possibility of being sexually harassed by a xe om driver.

For motorbike driving, the key thing is to make sure you're covered by insurance. So either get a licence or drive something below 50cc (of which there are many interesting options). A less powerful bike also means you're less likely to lose control of it, and will be going slower if you crash.


Any tips on where to get a cheap 50cc? I don't need anything heavier and don't feel like going through the entire getting a licence process.
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montblanc20



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For 50cc, you can try looking for Honda Chaly motorbikes. Or a Honda Super Cub 50. People tell me that they go for 200 dollars. If you see them for 400, like on craigslist, maybe that's overpriced. I would try to wait until you can buy from a good friend you can trust and who wouldn't sell you a bad bike.

I'm in a big city and having the motorbike really helps with the motivation to go out. I think driving here isn't so bad once you get used to it. I'm not in either of the two biggest cities though.

The driving on the wrong side of the road is necessary sometimes. Sometimes it isn't practical to cross a road in heavy traffic to go a few blocks to your house that was on the same side and then have to cross the road again. You have to get used to the VN style of crossing streets, going through intersections, entering traffic, using roundabouts, and going the wrong way.
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LettersAthruZ



Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MontBlanc is right on with that recommendation!

You can drive a Super Cub 50 through a brick wall and it'll say "Yes Sir, may I please have another"!

They just don't die.

However, electric bicycles are also an alternative. They ARE kinda on the expensive side (maybe 7 - 10 Million VND brand new), but they are functional for what you say you are looking for. They ARE a serious bitch to pedal if you run out of juice, however.

Just don't get one of those dorky little GIANT-brand bikes that all of the junior high school kids ride, and you'll be allright!
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LongShiKong



Joined: 28 May 2007
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Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vabeckele wrote:
The only way to not get scammed EVERY SINGLE TIME is to purchase a taxi card which they swipe. The scammers will just drive away.


What's the ratio between:
1. taxis : xe-oms
2. 2-wheeled traffic : 4-wheeled;
3. bicycles : e-bikes : motorbikes?

...and what are the frequency and operating hrs of buses?

I think I'll ride xe-oms or taxis before deciding which 2-wheeled option to get.
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mk87



Joined: 01 Apr 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xe oms and taxis just constantly spawn. Imagine a computer game where when someone is killed they just re appear somewhere else. Thats basically how it works.

Most traffic is 2 wheeled, but in the last year I've really noticed an increase in cars. Compared to 3 years ago when I arrived it seems like cars are taking over.

I wouldnt worry about the taxi's. I know people go on about them being scammers but I think in my 3 years here I've only been properly scammed once or twice. Just keep an eye on the meter, let the taxi driver know that you are watching where you are going and you should be fine. At least in the 'Big 2' taxi comapnies
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mk87 wrote:
Most traffic is 2 wheeled, but in the last year I've really noticed an increase in cars. Compared to 3 years ago when I arrived it seems like cars are taking over.


The same thing has happened to many Chinese cities. People buy cars less for the convenience than for the status despite the increasing gridlock. Those on 2-wheels remain unhindered.

If xe-oms outnumber taxis, would you say they transport more people than buses and taxis combined? Here in China, xe-oms and motor-trikes only outnumber taxis in sparsely populated areas: suburban areas, villages, etc.
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mk87



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of them just sit on the corners. In terms of active transport its easily taxis
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mk87 wrote:
Most of them just sit on the corners. In terms of active transport its easily taxis


You appear to contradict yourself here but then you didn't answer my question regarding the ratio between taxis and xe-oms. Is it 1:1, 1:2, or 1:20? I'm just trying to get a sense based on experience in Thailand and China.

As for scams, I'll offer even above what an honest driver would charge and if they complain, then just pocket the money. Half the time the ride is free. That's why I prefer taxis over xe-oms at first---I've only been scammed when I didn't know what the going rate is and/or how far away my destination was.
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Oh My God



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

montblanc20 wrote:
For 50cc, you can try looking for Honda Chaly motorbikes. Or a Honda Super Cub 50. People tell me that they go for 200 dollars. If you see them for 400, like on craigslist, maybe that's overpriced. I would try to wait until you can buy from a good friend you can trust and who wouldn't sell you a bad bike.

I'm in a big city and having the motorbike really helps with the motivation to go out. I think driving here isn't so bad once you get used to it. I'm not in either of the two biggest cities though.

The driving on the wrong side of the road is necessary sometimes. Sometimes it isn't practical to cross a road in heavy traffic to go a few blocks to your house that was on the same side and then have to cross the road again. You have to get used to the VN style of crossing streets, going through intersections, entering traffic, using roundabouts, and going the wrong way.


I own a car but rarely drive it, a motorbike is the way to go. Lease 1, own 1, borrow 1 it restores a sense of freedom (don't worry about cops just keep 200000VND neatly folded up with your papers) as long as on-lookers don't see him take it, you're home free. Laughing
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mk87



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LongShiKong wrote:
mk87 wrote:
Most of them just sit on the corners. In terms of active transport its easily taxis


You appear to contradict yourself here but then you didn't answer my question regarding the ratio between taxis and xe-oms. Is it 1:1, 1:2, or 1:20? I'm just trying to get a sense based on experience in Thailand and China.

As for scams, I'll offer even above what an honest driver would charge and if they complain, then just pocket the money. Half the time the ride is free. That's why I prefer taxis over xe-oms at first---I've only been scammed when I didn't know what the going rate is and/or how far away my destination was.


You know its not something I've ever tried to calculate. Its just what it is lots of bikes and a growing number of private cars.

My point was xe om's while there are thousands of them, dont actually seem to do that much. Taxi's on the other hand just drive round constantly so if you are going off transport moving on the road then there is no doubt that there is more taxi's. If you are going off the willingness of someone to take money to drive you somewhere I would guess there would be more xe oms.

I just dont think being scammed happens that often here as long as you are not walking around with your head in the clouds and you understand that its alright to say "no I'll only pay you x". Saigon is a big city, it is like any otherbi city in the world in that respect.
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