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dr. caligari



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:17 am    Post subject: Israel Reply with quote

hi, everyone,

I'm new here. i've taught for a long time and am now beginning to gear myself for the middle east.

Just throwing my hat in the ring here. . . Is it possible, working in the stricter countries in the Middle East to, say, during a long weekend, head to a psytrance party in Israel?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your passport is stamped, you will likely lose your ability to come back and stay employed. And Israeli officials often stamp your passport even when you ask them not to... because they can... and have no qualms about getting you fired.

I had friends that went back and forth when they worked in Egypt. But that isn't really an option these days since one doesn't really want to work and live in Egypt at the moment.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:34 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks, veiledsentiments, for being so upfront. I was guessing. That's why I asked.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That said... in some of the countries, it will likely hinge on current politics - both local and international. (ie... some have gotten away with it)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even without a stamp, if it is known that you are headed for Al Quds, you will be in Doodoo.
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dr. caligari



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were I given the job of a lifetime, I would expect to treat it with the same seriousness that spec-ops fliers treat theirs. Even if it meant skipping Koh Phangan and Goa: the two places I always wanted to vacation when I lived in Asia but never made it to.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked
Huh?
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Xie Lin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:

If your passport is stamped, you will likely lose your ability to come back and stay employed. And Israeli officials often stamp your passport even when you ask them not to... because they can... and have no qualms about getting you fired.

VS


It sometimes seems as if "even when you ask them not to," should read "especially if you ask them not to." But my perceptions may be a bit more jaded than reality calls for. Smile

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Gulezar



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:18 am    Post subject: Huh? Reply with quote

dr. caligari wrote:
On a related matter, I don't do drugs..... they are scared of having their drinks spiked or other similar types of events. (Electric Daisy Carnival)

Though it has never happened to me, is this something a reasonable person would be concerned about?

caligari


Are there only two of us here who have lost the plot of this thread? What happens after one too many Electric Daisies? Do you suddenly wake up and find yourself in Thailand?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dr. caligari wrote:
I'm guessing that this wouldn't mix well with what I've read about as some of the religious police states in the Middle East.

People I know in sensitive positions tend to avoid such events. I guess my question is how sensitive are positions there? As much as I enjoy a good party, I'd hate to lose a good job over something stupid like that.

I don't know what you mean by "sensitive" positions since the majority of TEFL jobs in this region involve teaching in a university, foundation year/intensive English context---similar to programs in the US. The only sensitivity required is the cultural kind. Anyway, you certainly won't find any rave parties in ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia, so it's a non-issue. For the other Gulf countries, do an Internet search on 'rave party [insert country]' for info on those types of events.
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Xie Lin



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Israel Reply with quote

dr. caligari wrote:

Is it possible, working in the stricter countries in the Middle East to, say, during a long weekend, head to a psytrance party in Israel?



nomad soul wrote:

Anyway, you certainly won't find any rave parties in ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia, so it's a non-issue.



The OP seems to be asking about traveling to parties in Israel, not finding them in Saudi Arabia. Smile As for doing "an internet search on 'rave party [insert country],' " I suspect that the good doctor is way ahead of us!! (Goa, Ko Pha Ngan, etc.)



dr. caligari wrote:

As much as I enjoy a good party, I'd hate to lose a good job over something like that.



Yup. That could be your answer, right there.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Israel Reply with quote

Xie Lin wrote:
The OP seems to be asking about traveling to parties in Israel, not finding them in Saudi Arabia. Smile As for doing "an internet search on 'rave party [insert country],' " I suspect that the good doctor is way ahead of us!! (Goa, Ko Pha Ngan, etc.)

Actually, read the entire thread. The OP was clearly advised that traveling to Israel to party while working in the Mid East is not a wise decision if he expects to get through immigration in order to return to his job. He acknowledged that but then asked supposedly related questions about drugs and raves (throwing Vegas into the mix) and the religious police when working in sensitive positions in the region. This was confusing since it didn't seem to be relevant to his initial post.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen much raving occur as people step off of planes from Saudi Arabia...
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Xie Lin



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reading of the OP's subsequent posts (and I have indeed read the whole thread) was not that s/he was asking about raves in Saudi Arabia, but whether employers in conservative countries would tolerate partying elsewhere over long weekends--of course, I may have been unduly influenced by the thread title. But, yes, even setting aside questions about the risk of spiked drinks and similar dangers, there does seem to be more than one line of inquiry going.

OP, it seems to me that sooner or later you will most likely have to choose between desirable employment and this kind of partying. Given the prevalence of cell phones with cameras, and the obsession of many with publicly documenting every breath they take, it is only a matter of time before photos of you partying end up floating around the internet, on someone's FB page or in their YouTube video. Not to mention the danger of being caught up in a mass arrest. And even though you yourself may not partake in any drug use, you will be seen in the same light as the company you keep; and in the eyes of conservative employers, tarnished by the same brush. Fifteen years ago you could probably have managed both; but I don't think that's possible today--at least not for very long.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Party in the Gulf or go to Israel? Reply with quote

You can party in the Gulf, but it is not a wise thing to do, especially in KSA.
You can travel to Israel, but it is not a wise thing to do.
Dubai Urban Myth #24: Why do some British school kids come back from vacation shaved? Drugs can be detected in the hair, so best to dispose of the hair.
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