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How much do you or would you charge for private lessons?
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: How much do you or would you charge for private lessons? Reply with quote

I'm curious about what the general going rate for private lessons is and if it's different based on city.

So, how much do you charge for a private lesson with a single student? How long is each lesson? Would you charge less if you taught 2-3 students at the same time or charge them all the same? Also, saying which city you're from would give a better overall picture of the going rates.

Private language lessons in the US start around $35 per session, but can easily go higher than $50 per session. Charging those prices here doesn't seem realistic to me, but I really have no idea.
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Demonietto



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in HCMC and just started a private lesson. I used the advice from my TEFL teacher in Chiang Mai: $15/hr for up to 3 students, $5 for each additional student. Note that the average salary there is considerably lower than here. He also suggested having them pay up front in 10-class increments and have a 24-Hr cancellation policy due to the lack of timeliness in the country, but I'm not doing that yet. I had a similar question and searched the forum and found people charging up to $50+ an hour in HCMC, but I couldn't justify that for my teaching experience (less than a year). It's less than I make at my regular job but for me it's something fun and stress-free to fill a couple mornings and put some cash in my pocket, and hopefully help out two nice young folks with poor English skills who are moving to California. If it's your main income source I would do more research. Some people even teach for free!
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not going to mention fees, but...I would calculate the cost of one entire full classroom hour of 10-12 students - Any individual is using that time allotted to a full classroom and thus, should pay that rate (I would charge a small certain percentage less).

Not many wanted my time after that, and personally, i feel for 90 percent of the learners, they should be learning in a group centred environment anyway.

Many wanted interview skills and on the job language training, and I ended up giving advice and stuff for free. Waiters and chefs just can't afford those fees. Another reason to be in a group.
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mark_in_saigon



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The kids going to the states are often from families that can afford it. Sometimes they contract better teachers thru a language center and pay upwards of 50 bucks an hour for their kiddo.

There are quite a few folks on CL trying to drum up business doing this work, mostly at relatively low rates. I am thinking this is more or less the same situation as we have with teacher's pay generally. We have a very few really good and highly paid teachers, and then we have the other 90%. With the tutoring, my guess would be that you would have a tad bit more demand for the higher levels, as those students should have this extra need (often going abroad) and higher income levels, but this is certainly not every case, just "generally speaking".
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ExpatLuke



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I mentioned language lessons in the US, I meant for English speakers learning a foreign language. I looked into taking both Vietnamese and Japanese lessons. The Japanese were more expensive at about $40 per hour. I think the Vietnamese ones were cheaper because my city has a larger than average Vietnamese population.

It's interesting that $15 per session has been the only answer. I was expecting more. I thought $25 would be about normal.
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skarper



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is rare to find someone able and willing to pay 20-30USD an hour which is what it needs to be to compensate for an hour of regular teaching you will miss.

Of course some teachers are working for for 15USD an hour and there may be odd times in the week when you can't get a normal classroom hour so it is not a straight conversion.

As ever it's a market and some people are happy to work for less of even teach for free.

Personally I'm not into it because the students really would do best in a class anyway and you do get a lot of cancellations without notice. There is also an issue with laziness and wanting the expensive teacher to do all the work.

If pressed I'd say you need to charge a minimum of 10USD per hour and a minimum of 5USD per student per hour. SO if you have 4 students studying together you make 20USD which is not bad.
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Tigerstyleone



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't charge anything for private lessons, and I only tutor female students under 30. Wink Wink
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why anyone would teach them for less than they would normally earn, given that they should involve more work (material selection, syllabus design, mixed level classes, etc). Also don't underestimate how much someone (especially companies) can save by arranging private lessons instead of going through a language school or agency. I know a few people who do privates, and all of them get paid more than their normal hourly rate at their normal job. Presumably they also don't pay tax on it (I can't begin to imagine the hassle involved in trying to do that, even if you wanted to).
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skarper



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It obviously depends who the client is.

Individuals of modest means would get a discount while large companies with big budgets I would try to fleece.

40USD an hour would seem a reasonable starting point for corporate work. If they have a lot of classes and a workable schedule then I'd consider a discount but not below about 25USD.

All theoretical because I'm not interested in this kind of work.
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what fellow freelancers in the major cities of The North have told me, it generally goes around $20-$25USD per teaching hour in Hai Phong and around $25-$30USD per teaching hour in Ha Noi.

Again, like Skarper stated - it all depends on who the client is! Don't walk into Ford Motor Companies of Viet Nam and say ya want twenty bucks an hour for teaching their Vietnamese executives......and don't demand thirty from a family that you do know as fact is just scraping by.......
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Oh My God



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LettersAthruZ wrote:
Again, like Skarper stated - it all depends on who the client is! Don't walk into Ford Motor Companies of Viet Nam and say ya want twenty bucks an hour for teaching their Vietnamese executives......and don't demand thirty from a family that you do know as fact is just scraping by.......


30 USD is the minimum I charge and some as High as 50 USD but that depends on what these customers want. I'm not interested in teaching children (except my own) and with business clients, you'll still only get paid for face-time.

I have one client that wants their employees quite proficient in Chat and Emails as this is how they do most of their business. That one was a lot of research to develop the syllabus except with the Emails which I treated like writing formal letters. But I've got to read and correct, also.

But my seminars limit how much of that I can do, that is another story.
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TRH



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are posters perhaps talking about two really different things? On one hand we have teachers doing corporate lessons dealing directly with a client outside of a contractual relationship with a language school. On the other we have people providing lessons to other individuals or small groups either at the teacher's or the students' homes. Could this be part of the fairly large fee differences people are quoting?
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Oh My God



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRH wrote:
Are posters perhaps talking about two really different things? On one hand we have teachers doing corporate lessons dealing directly with a client outside of a contractual relationship with a language school. On the other we have people providing lessons to other individuals or small groups either at the teacher's or the students' homes. Could this be part of the fairly large fee differences people are quoting?
Duh, yeah!
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Anh Dep



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRH wrote:
Are posters perhaps talking about two really different things? On one hand we have teachers doing corporate lessons dealing directly with a client outside of a contractual relationship with a language school. On the other we have people providing lessons to other individuals or small groups either at the teacher's or the students' homes. Could this be part of the fairly large fee differences people are quoting?




That seems to be stating the obvious.
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TRH



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh My God wrote:
Duh, yeah!
Anh Dep wrote:
That seems to be stating the obvious.
Before anyone else needs to resort to sarcasm, let me refine and extend my comment. Go back to the original post and I think you can infer that the poster is asking about small lessons in private quarters.
ExpatLuke wrote:
So, how much do you charge for a private lesson with a single student? How long is each lesson? Would you charge less if you taught 2-3 students at the same time or charge them all the same?

With a few exceptions, the replies here seem to be about privately arranged corporate lessons. I would personally be gratified if there were more detailed responses to the original question. To be fair, here is my response in detail:

I am presently teaching a group of three at home. We meet twice a week for one hour. There is a couple and another male. I charge each 112,300VND/hour (about $16/hr total) and told them that I will reapportion for up to a fourth person but that I did not really want a group larger than that. Before I started, I made sure that all of them were at approximately the same level (low intermediate) as a wide range could reduce the value of my time to them as well as make work harder for me. I teach from Oxford Business Result which I do NOT use at my regular job. My students have told me they find the lesson topics very relevant. Using a textbook substantially reduces preparation time which is a potential problem with less structured private lessons. I also bought the Teacher's Book which is set up far better than most I have seen, and includes tests for each module.

As I have gotten to know my students better, I now suspect that their monthly income may be higher than my own, although they work longer hours. One is the HR head for a large real estate developer and the other works for a German pharmaceutical firm where English is spoken at the office. The female spouse is employed as an office manager. I wonder how much I am shortchanging myself. I have passed up a request for a Saturday morning class at a business mostly because I do not want to work weekends or deal with varied levels of ability. I also have frequent requests for more students at home, but I am resisting the opportunity for now.
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