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budgie
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 40
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:54 pm Post subject: Any NOVA Refugees out there? |
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Any survivors from the Nova crash of 2007?
Anybody working at Nova now?
Looking for comparison between then and now.
For refugees, how and when did you get laid off? How did you survive after? |
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U99A
Joined: 12 Jan 2013 Posts: 64 Location: P.R.C
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I stayed on for about 3 and a half years after the bankruptcy. It was much smaller scale than NOVA. No yearly raises. I did teach fewer lessons though.....
Finally left and got my CELTA- taught in the Middle East for a while.
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Bombadil
Joined: 30 Mar 2013 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Ex-NOVA here. Bailed out a year before it went belly-up (was mid-management, and the writing was absolutely on the wall if you looked - at least from mid-management perspective). Worked with an ALT company, then landed a nice gig at a private school.
Never had a day of unemployment. |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 557 Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Bombadil wrote: |
Ex-NOVA here.
Bailed out a year before it went belly-up (was mid-management, and the writing was absolutely on the wall if you looked - at least from mid-management perspective).
Worked with an ALT company, then landed a nice gig at a private school.
Never had a day of unemployment. |
What position is considered mid-management at NOVA? |
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marley'sghost
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 255
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Never worked for them myself. Only survivor I know personally, got his own room after the crash, and started his own school, taking his NOVA students with him. Doing fine now, by all accounts. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Solar Strength wrote: |
Bombadil wrote: |
Ex-NOVA here.
Bailed out a year before it went belly-up (was mid-management, and the writing was absolutely on the wall if you looked - at least from mid-management perspective).
Worked with an ALT company, then landed a nice gig at a private school.
Never had a day of unemployment. |
What position is considered mid-management at NOVA? |
Asked myself the same thing. I was a block trainer and was still a teacher. AAM and up? |
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Wintermute
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 79
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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Was going through my old Japanese bookmarks folder and saw this site - haven't been here in ages. I was at Nova to the bitter end at the MMC. I remember the last day quite clearly. They'd shut the lights off in the 15th floor meal room and none of the lesson screens worked properly. November 2007 (can't remember the date now) was a big month. I remember seeing a lot of worried faces and thinking that it was never going to be this good again in Japan for teaching English.
I hustled for work everywhere for December 2007, I was luckier than most in that I had a pretty large pool of money to support me through the lean times. My biggest regret was not going back to Nova when it was bought out by G Com. My friends did and they got somewhere in the order of $1500 just to quit. 2008 was perhaps the hardest and most interesting year of my life in Japan. I remember doing every job under the sun for money. Worked at some great companies, IKEA being the best, and some not so good companies. I did a bit of acting and a crapload of private lessons at Tullys in Umeda.
Managed to land a full time job in 2009 with the Osaka YMCA. Not a bad gig but by then I was tired of eikaiwa and was very burnt out. That, and I didn't get along with my manager at all. All of my friends left around the middle of 2010 and the writing was on the wall. I flamed out in October 2010 and went home. I'm only now just getting over the effects of reverse culture shock however if I could somehow work again in Japan I'd probably jump. I'm seriously considering retiring in Japan.
I look back now and consider the 4 years I did at Nova as some of my best of my life. Not so much for the work but for the fact I was young, in one of the most interesting countries on the planet earning decent money, meeting people from nearly every country on Earth, eating great food, hiking in some of the best tracks in Japan and generally enjoying life. I don't miss the office politics or being sick every other month but looking back, even that wasn't so bad either because for all the bad days I had, there were 10 other great days.
Not sure what it is like now but from all accounts it is a shell of what it was in its glory days. Still, I don't hold it against people for sticking it out. There are worse jobs to do in Japan. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Well, good if you had a decent experience in Osaka, but I am sure things have not improved.
I cannot imagine retiring in Japan.
First, you must be good at Japanese.
Second, you need a good job that pays well and one that gives you security. So many jobs are for limited contracts.
There are fewer young people and demand for English is less, plus wages have gone down.
Competition for good jobs in Osaka is fierce.
If you know the right people, that can help.
I applied for a university job in Osaka last year. It was for 3-5 years.
100 people applied for one position.
Maybe at this point it would be easier to get a job teaching kids, but there
are fewer kids than before. |
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Wintermute
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 79
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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:04 am Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
Well, good if you had a decent experience in Osaka, but I am sure things have not improved.
I cannot imagine retiring in Japan. |
I had a great time whilst I was there and the times I've gone back for a visit since I left. My biggest issue burning out at the end was not the country or where I lived, it was my workplace and my manager. I would probably still be in Japan if not for the fact that both were fairly ordinary towards the end.
I was looking at one of the regional areas in Kansai, I'm looking towards the north of Kyoto, there are a lot of places up the way that aren't too expensive and only need some TLC to get back to scratch. Few other options I'm exploring as well. By the time I retire it will mean exactly that - no more work unless I want to. Thankfully through my current job there is a pot of gold at the end of rainbow.
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First, you must be good at Japanese. |
I passed JLPT level 2 in 2009, currently studying for the N1. Language was never an issue for me. Surprisingly my language ability has improved since returning home, at least reading and writing has. More to work for I guess.
If I work in Japan again it won't be as a teacher. I'm looking at going back over through the consulate or through my current position on secondment. It's a long shot but not impossible and something to aim for. I would never get back on the eikaiwa treadmill again, too much work for too little payoff. I still have a few contacts in the private university system who could put a few choice words in the right ears but even then it is still teaching and not very stable from all accounts. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Why is the Osaka area so competitive? A lot less jobs than Tokyo but with aarge amount of gaijin wanting the fewer jobs? |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 557 Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting comments.
Osaka - I hear a lot of gaijin say that it's the best place to be in Japan and that the Japanese people there are the friendliest. I don't buy it. The Japanese are Japanese, wherever you go. Sure there's a difference between city and country, but whether it's Fukuoka - Nagoya - Tokyo - Osaka is all shades of grey.
Japan EFL is on life support. You'd be insane to quit your job back home and move here to teach English as a career. Good TEFL jobs are extremely hard to find in Japan now. Most of it is entry-level aimed at the "newbies" with no or little experience and low salary and few to no benefits and allowances.
If there was ever a time that TEFL in Japan was not a career, it's now.
Retire in Japan?
Again, you'd have to be crazy! Your language skills seem good, but that's only part of it.
The nuclear radiation in Fukushima is affecting water, food, fish, milk, etc. People are confused and scared because they cannot trust the Japanese government to tell them the truth or to get control of the situation. The demographic changes mean less working people and more elderly who cannot work, which means you, the working stiff, pays higher taxes to support those retired people. By the way, in 2015 consumption taxes will increase to 10%.
We have constant earthquakes, typhoons and tsunamis that kill hundreds of people a year. More, if you consider 2011. I go to bed dressed recently because of all of the earthquakes we've had here, in case I need to run out of our apartment in the middle of the night. Some of these earthquakes are quite scary!
Finally, and this is important for a foreigner wanting to live here, Japan has become more nationalistic, and even more inward and insular, than before. The Japanese government is trying to militarize and there are, as you no doubt know, regional tensions with the senkoku islands and China and Korea.
I'm one of the people surprised that Japan was awarded the 2020 Olympics, considering all of the issues surrounding Japan.
Retire or work long-term in Japan?
I just don't get it. |
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Wintermute
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 79
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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Solar Strength wrote: |
Interesting comments.Osaka - I hear a lot of gaijin say that it's the best place to be in Japan and that the Japanese people there are the friendliest. I don't buy it. The Japanese are Japanese, wherever you go. Sure there's a difference between city and country, but whether it's Fukuoka - Nagoya - Tokyo - Osaka is all shades of grey. |
I spent all my time in Osaka - a great city, with great people. Bit narrow minded to say Japanese are Japanese where ever you go. I've never been to America but I wouldn't even intimate that an American from New York is the same as an American from Los Angeles.
I noticed some fairly big differences in character from people in Kansai to those in Kagoshima and the Okinawa region. Not completely night and day but the difference was interesting. There is even a marked difference between Kobe, Kyoto and Osaka. Osakans for the most part tend to be a lot more laid back and open then most other Japanese.
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Japan EFL is on life support. You'd be insane to quit your job back home and move here to teach English as a career. Good TEFL jobs are extremely hard to find in Japan now. Most of it is entry-level aimed at the "newbies" with no or little experience and low salary and few to no benefits and allowances. |
Already said this twice but yeah, I would never work in the eikaiwa industry again. Been there, done that. It's for young people with university debts and a fair dose of naivety. Plus, my paymaster would be the Australian government as would be my superannuation if I managed to land the job I'm looking for.
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Retire in Japan?
Again, you'd have to be crazy! Your language skills seem good, but that's only part of it. The nuclear radiation in Fukushima is affecting water, food, fish, milk, etc. People are confused and scared because they cannot trust the Japanese government to tell them the truth or to get control of the situation. |
Fair point so I'm content to wait and see what happens down the track. Japan is one of a few options I'm looking at. It is my top option given my love for the country but not the only one.
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The demographic changes mean less working people and more elderly who cannot work, which means you, the working stiff, pays higher taxes to support those retired people. By the way, in 2015 consumption taxes will increase to 10%. |
Australia has some of the highest taxes on the planet, we're almost Scandinavian. Case in point, my gross per month is $8000 give or take. I lose $2000 in taxes straight up - 25%. Then there is the 10% GST on everything (soon to include fresh food) plus annual city taxes which run around $1000-2000 depending on where you live. Plus federal levies for our social security systems. Not complaining mind you but I had a good laugh when foreigners started jumping up and down over a 2% hike in consumption tax. Seriously, even with the (very minor) hike, Japan is still a very cheap place to live - cheap food, rent, transport, you name it.
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We have constant earthquakes, typhoons and tsunamis that kill hundreds of people a year. More, if you consider 2011. I go to bed dressed recently because of all of the earthquakes we've had here, in case I need to run out of our apartment in the middle of the night. Some of these earthquakes are quite scary! |
Earthquakes are definitely not fun, been through quite a few in my time. Worrying about when the next earthquake though, to the point of being fully dressed in bed, is like worrying if the sun will rise. It's going to happen somewhere so there's little point living in fear. Typhoons are seriously overrated in Japan, at least in the big metropolitan areas. I grew up in a city where there were some horrific cyclones - that is real fear. Typhoons are generally a big wind and heavy rain.
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Finally, and this is important for a foreigner wanting to live here, Japan has become more nationalistic, and even more inward and insular, than before. The Japanese government is trying to militarize and there are, as you no doubt know, regional tensions with the senkoku islands and China and Korea. |
This I don't buy. Those tensions with Korea and China have been there since the end of the last world war. As for Japan re-militarising, I doubt it will happen in our lifetime. With the aforementioned nuclear issues going on in the country I doubt there is much stomach for military incursions into the largest power in the region with a near bottomless pool of human resources. Japan will do what it always does best to make a point - use money to make the problem go away.
I can appreciate why some people think it strange to retire in a place like Japan or even work long term. Japan still has a lot of positives to recommend it. Easy to find work if you hustle, great food, cheap to live, close to the rest of Asia and the Americas. |
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rtm
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 1003 Location: US
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Solar Strength wrote: |
The Japanese are Japanese, wherever you go. Sure there's a difference between city and country, but whether it's Fukuoka - Nagoya - Tokyo - Osaka is all shades of grey. |
Sure, there is a basic "Japanese culture" which is common across all of the places you mention, but there are also substantial differences in culture and practices between different areas in Japan (as in all countries).
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The nuclear radiation in Fukushima is affecting water, food, fish, milk, etc. People are confused and scared because they cannot trust the Japanese government to tell them the truth or to get control of the situation. The demographic changes mean less working people and more elderly who cannot work, which means you, the working stiff, pays higher taxes to support those retired people. By the way, in 2015 consumption taxes will increase to 10%.
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Finally, and this is important for a foreigner wanting to live here, Japan has become more nationalistic, and even more inward and insular, than before. The Japanese government is trying to militarize and there are, as you no doubt know, regional tensions with the senkoku islands and China and Korea. |
I'm curious. So many of your posts seem to be so negative about living and working in Japan. But, based on your other posts, you seem to currently be applying for jobs in Japan. Do the things you point out not deter you from trying to live and work in Japan?
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We have constant earthquakes, typhoons and tsunamis that kill hundreds of people a year. More, if you consider 2011. I go to bed dressed recently because of all of the earthquakes we've had here, in case I need to run out of our apartment in the middle of the night. |
Didn't you say you are in Thailand? If you are indeed in Japan, I'm surprised that earthquakes bother you so much. Also, when I lived in Japan, going to bed dressed wasn't all that uncommon this time of year -- mostly because it was so darn cold inside at night! |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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I like Osaka, and all, but it isn't a place where I'd fight to be there over say, Tokyo. And I don't even like Tokyo really.
i started my Japanese journey in Osaka, and I understand it's appeal. But from how the job market there has seemed insane for years, I wouldn't bother unless something landed in my lap.
As for retiring in Japan. perhaps that is 20-30 years from now, By which a lot of the nuclear and pop problems will be sorted out one way or another.
My wife is Japanese, so I could see retiring in Japan. Though I would want to retire someplace warm like Okinawa. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Well my wife is from Osaka so I don`t agree.
She tends to say what she thinks.
I much prefer Kansai to Tokyo, but cannot get a job there.
All Japanese share similarities but there are regional differences too.
I don`t think radiation is that bad, but I don`t live up in Fukushima.
Abe definitely is nationalistic. Look at Debito`s website where he mentions the lecture from the person in government about making changes to Japan`s military.
I would rather retire somewhere else but as my wife is Japanese, a place like Okinawa or Kobe could be a compromise. |
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