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TEFL Qualified but expected to be experienced straight away?
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santi84



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coolguy123 wrote:

I don't really think it's purpose is to make you into a teacher. Especially if it's only a month long, there's no way it's going to make you into a full blown teacher, especially if you have no experience.


I don't think my TESL degree and certificate made me a full-blown teacher either, it just helped me not suck so much when I first started out Wink It helped me write on a whiteboard better (yes, my degree included testing on that!), how to construct tests so that they test knowledge of content and not test-taking ability, how deal with obscure classroom management issues, etc.

A background to be unleashed when the real experience begins: the classroom!
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Lack



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think the trick to part of this problem is to go work in out of the way or unknown cities or villages. May not be your ideal places, but you'll have tons of job security.

I'm still in my first EFL contract, so I can't speak from lots of experience, but when I first got here I was very frustrated that I couldn't just go in and teach my way. Thing is, most of us are working for companies (definitely not schools, although they try to resemble schools...heh) probably and so they are selling a "method" or a "program" to the parents. So these companies want to mold teachers into little drones who do things exactly how the company wants. After a while, you may gain more freedom depending on circumstances (it sure was nice when new teachers started showing up...) Problem is, these companies don't really know much about teaching.

Although they are great at marketing...
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Coolguy123



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lack wrote:
Well, I think the trick to part of this problem is to go work in out of the way or unknown cities or villages. May not be your ideal places, but you'll have tons of job security.


Yes! I think that working in an out-of-the-way village is a great idea. In a big city (probably the most exciting place to work if your a young, just out of college graduate looking for a fun overseas experience), life is exciting but they don't actually need you there that much, if you're inexperienced, since there's a lot of foreigners there already.

The danger is getting bored or isolated, which is the tradeoff.

Regarding the teaching companies, I don't think they're that bad. I think they're standards and methods are good, and give you a structure if you're new to teaching.

Perhaps it's not the best quality teaching, but it's not bad, and since they are so big they can give you training.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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most of us are working for companies (definitely not schools, although they try to resemble schools...heh) probably and so they are selling a "method" or a "program" to the parents
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Just FYI, and for the benefit of other newbies around, this isn't true in all parts of the world by any means.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tru dat
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sparks



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry about it terribly much. It sounds like you just need some more experience. It's too bad that your school didn't support you very well. Everyone feels horribly stressed and out of their element the first year or so. You need some time bang it out. Of course training courses help but nothing is like teaching a regular schedule, being responsible for taking a group from start to finish, meeting objectives etc. This takes time. You will be able to teach your own way but you have to get comfortable enough to figure out what way that is and to be able to defend and support what you do. I'm sure that the first class I ever taught was ridiculous, plus the guy who had the group before me had years of experience and a teaching degree from the U.S. Be calm, it will get better Smile
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JustinC



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first gig was really out of the way; sometimes I wouldn't see another foreigner for three weeks. The school was very supportive, helping me with accommodation, teaching and other issues. I was a real oddity in the area, leading to slightly annoying staring and pointing but, ignoring that, it was fascinating being in a community where many had never seen in real life, let alone spoken to, a white guy.

I totally panicked in my first observation (me observing a lesson, before I'd even taught for one second), and was convinced I wouldn't be up to scratch. The school, as I said, was very supportive and provided excellent co-teachers, a chalkboard and chalk. In the classrooms I had no access to a computer, projector, whiteboard, printer... nothing except a piece of chalk and a willingness to learn my craft (and probably look like dimwit).

Luckily, as I had done no research at all, I was put in a great school and had a fantastic manager. That was 6 years and 5 countries ago and I've seen/heard/experienced the whole gamut of standards of support in schools. Don't give up and just put it down to experience. Teachers are sometimes born and sometimes made.
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Coolguy123



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustinC wrote:
My first gig was really out of the way; sometimes I wouldn't see another foreigner for three weeks. The school was very supportive, helping me with accommodation, teaching and other issues. I was a real oddity in the area, leading to slightly annoying staring and pointing but, ignoring that, it was fascinating being in a community where many had never seen in real life, let alone spoken to, a white guy.

I totally panicked in my first observation (me observing a lesson, before I'd even taught for one second), and was convinced I wouldn't be up to scratch. The school, as I said, was very supportive and provided excellent co-teachers, a chalkboard and chalk. In the classrooms I had no access to a computer, projector, whiteboard, printer... nothing except a piece of chalk and a willingness to learn my craft (and probably look like dimwit).

Luckily, as I had done no research at all, I was put in a great school and had a fantastic manager. That was 6 years and 5 countries ago and I've seen/heard/experienced the whole gamut of standards of support in schools. Don't give up and just put it down to experience. Teachers are sometimes born and sometimes made.


Great story. That's good that you found a good first school, that seems to be pretty important. Then again, I've heard stories from people who were put in out of the way places and didn't have a school who supported them, or whatever recruiter they used didn't really help them out very much. Not a good experience. Guess you're rolling the dice at least a little any time you're looking for a job in any situation though.

What country was this in by chance?
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JustinC



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coolguy123 wrote:
Great story. That's good that you found a good first school, that seems to be pretty important. Then again, I've heard stories from people who were put in out of the way places and didn't have a school who supported them, or whatever recruiter they used didn't really help them out very much. Not a good experience. Guess you're rolling the dice at least a little any time you're looking for a job in any situation though.

What country was this in by chance?


Thanks. The recruiter was supposedly in the same city but I never met him. The school was on the outskirts of Wuhan in China. I could take two buses to the international supermarket in Wuhan's centre to buy good cheese, and occasionally meet other expats. It was over two hours each way so if I went into town I had to leave early or take a taxi back home. Also my apartment was in a school and I couldn't get back in to the grounds after 11pm.

The school was very supportive; the head of the English department spoke English very well and knew more about European history than I did. I think either having a native or near-native speaker in the department is almost always a good sign.
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Coolguy123



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustinC wrote:

The school was very supportive; the head of the English department spoke English very well and knew more about European history than I did. I think either having a native or near-native speaker in the department is almost always a good sign.


That's cool. In Japan, I had a pretty good school and pretty cool teachers. However, a few of the other teachers in the countryside had some issues with their teachers. Perhaps they had had issues with other foreign teachers in the past. Then again I think Japan is a different culture.

The head teacher at my school was pretty familiar with literature, and could cook French food.
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