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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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 Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Is there a pollution limit for you? |
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Is there a 2.5ppm limit that would be a deal breaker for you.
It's clearly been worse than last year. I'm just wondering what the breaking point is where ex pats will say, "OK, this just isn't worth it."
200 days of 300+, 100 days of 400+, 100 days of 500+...?
Has anyone set any limits for themselves?
I'm not in Beijing but we're seeing a lot of 300 almost 400 days lately. If it doesn't get back down to the 200s daily max before spring, I'm headed back to Korea. This just isn't safe. |
Air pollution in China... Not a problem at all for me...
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BruceLeeWannaBe
Joined: 12 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| fat_chris wrote: |
Hey, thanks for posting that video. It was well done. Pretty funny but made the point clear that it's "deadly" serious. Am gonna check out more of his videos.
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
Also check this one out. Never date a girl who's parents hold high positions in the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzj7nM4H90Q
Bad enough as it is any girl who dates a foreigner (not all) is subjected to being ridiculed by other locals for it. |
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Shroob
Joined: 02 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
| fat_chris wrote: |
Hey, thanks for posting that video. It was well done. Pretty funny but made the point clear that it's "deadly" serious. Am gonna check out more of his videos.
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
Also check this one out. Never date a girl who's parents hold high positions in the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzj7nM4H90Q
Bad enough as it is any girl who dates a foreigner (not all) is subjected to being ridiculed by other locals for it. |
Yet if a Chinese male lands a foreign woman he's the local legend... |
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urbanadventurer
Joined: 09 Aug 2013
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Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I reckon there IS a limit for me.
Down here in Guangzhou, the AQI has been between 150-200 for the last six weeks (with a few stretches of 250-ish). This coincides with my being hospitalized for a week with pneumonia for the first time in my life! Crazy.
My contract is up in two weeks, and unless I give in to the renewal offer$ that my current employer has kindly extended, I am Bangkok or Osaka Bound! Yes, it's gonna suck taking a cut in pay, but DAMN! - dirty air sucks too!!!
Yeah yeah yeah, I know 200 doesn't compare to off-the-charts in Beijing, Shanghai, Harbin, etc... But that's like saying drinking a glass of gasoline doesn't compare to drinking a glass of sulfuric acid.
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MisterButtkins
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah yeah yeah, I know 200 doesn't compare to off-the-charts in Beijing, Shanghai, Harbin, etc... But that's like saying drinking a glass of gasoline doesn't compare to drinking a glass of sulfuric acid. |
Definitely an interesting way to put it. I had been thinking about moving to a larger city next year, but am having second thoughts. |
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wonderingjoesmith
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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Location: Guangzhou
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I am also in Guangzhou and in a similar situation as urbanadventurer, although my contract ends half a year later. If I stay on, my prospective doctors will probably have to answer me. I hope that'll never be the coroner's report which indicates pollution as the cause. |
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creeper1
Joined: 24 Aug 2010
Posts: 481
Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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What are we talking about here?
Recently it was said that living in north China shortened your life by 5 years.
Note that is just based on one particular poison (coal).
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-08/burning-heating-coal-cuts-lives-by-5-years-in-china-study-finds.html
I think we can be assured there are a variety of poisons out there these days.
I guess that's comparable to smoking. I'd say smoking 20 - 30 cigarettes a day.
How many of the posters on this thread smoke?
Do smokers have any right to complain about air pollution? |
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wonderingjoesmith
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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Location: Guangzhou
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| Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I think we can be assured there are a variety of poisons out there these days. |
One of them may be all the junk products "Made In China". Much of what is available malfunctions or breaks down fast which often results in purchases of new goods. What happens to the old ones? Sure some are recycled; however, it'd be interesting to know how much of all the low quality stuff goes wasted. Needless to say that the production of virtually anything causes some sort of pollution. |
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Toast
Joined: 08 Jun 2013
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| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| creeper1 wrote: |
| I think we can be assured there are a variety of poisons out there these days. |
One of them may be all the junk products "Made In China". Much of what is available malfunctions or breaks down fast which often results in purchases of new goods. What happens to the old ones? Sure some are recycled; however, it'd be interesting to know how much of all the low quality stuff goes wasted. Needless to say that the production of virtually anything causes some sort of pollution. |
I watched a doco not long ago about the people in Guangdong who recycle the old computer parts, mouses, keyboards etc. They have to categorize the plastics based on type and quality. Apparently the most straight-forward way to determine the type of plastic is to burn it with a cigarette lighter and note the smell. Some of these guys would end up inhaling burning plastic 1,000 times a day. Unsurprisingly they're all dying of brain tumors after 4 or 5 years and their kids are mostly being born with deformities. Grim stuff. |
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BlueBlood
Joined: 31 Aug 2013
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I've also seen stories about "cancer villages" in China. Mostly small villages where the primary industry is recycling computer parts. One documentary even showed a chemical-laden slime waste running from one of the rudimentary "shops" out into the street.
Scary stuff. |
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NoBillyNO
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:21 am Post subject: |
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How many of the posters on this thread smoke?
Do smokers have any right to complain about air pollution? |
Doew anyone have the right to judge anothers past time or right to complain?
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| One of them may be all the junk products "Made In China". Much of what is available malfunctions or breaks down fast which often results in purchases of new goods. What happens to the old ones? Sure some are recycled; however, it'd be interesting to know how much of all the low quality stuff goes wasted. Needless to say that the production of virtually anything causes some sort of pollution. |
absolutely, even a bike has a carbon foot print but in China (unlike the US) much is recycled for a profit....I would reckon there is a great many landfills in china as many other nations contract their waste to the PRC and since retailers want to offer cheap Chinese products and consumers want to play less they are satisfied with products that need to be replaced instead of repaired......why, in the US a common "handy man" is no more and small appliance repair is just not available...if they were it may cost more to fix than replace... |
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weigookin74
Joined: 30 Mar 2010
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| choudoufu wrote: |
bro, beijing and shanghai are not china.
plenty of locations with minimal or no pollution.
guangxi, guizhou, yunnan, hainan come to mind. |
How's the cash and how's the women in these places? |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
Posts: 4724
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| weigookin74 wrote: |
| choudoufu wrote: |
bro, beijing and shanghai are not china.
plenty of locations with minimal or no pollution.
guangxi, guizhou, yunnan, hainan come to mind. |
How's the cash and how's the women in these places? |
The women are OK but they cost too much cash.
Having won the race to the bottom, can I ask that you find sites for the lovelorn to pursue your interests? |
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dakelei
Joined: 17 May 2009
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| I'm in a third-tier city in Guangdong and the air is noticeably getting worse. I have sort of bad lungs to start with and I've had a nagging cough for this entire term that just won't go away. I've been to the hospital here twice in the past month or so and nothing has helped. I'm leaving at the end of my current contract. There are some here who say I'm nuts for going home to the USA at my age (53) with my young Chinese wife and it does indeed worry me but staying here worries me more. The memory of watching my father die of lung cancer, at 59, is burned into my mind. I refuse to go out that way. |
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