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ByeBye6
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 7 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: First Time Teaching In Japan |
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I am applying for positions to teach in Japan for the first time. What do people recommend- Working at one of the four big eikaiwas or a smaller private language school? What are the benefits/disadvantages of working in a big eikaiwa or a small language school? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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First time teaching in Japan, but how about elsewhere? That is, what is your teaching experience?
I would have to generalize and say that if you need the life support system a larger school would be able to provide, go with them. By life support, I mean a wider opportunity for branch offices, a greater likelihood for training, and a more chance to meet other foreigners. in the office. Otherwise, if you are fairly independent, a smaller school would seem equally acceptable.
Look at it from another standpoint. Can you come to Japan and interview? If not, you are pretty much limited to the bigger places that interview abroad, but you are also at the mercy of their interviewing dates and locations. |
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ihorner
Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 1 Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Follow-up questions then.
If I were to go to Japan, and look for a job there, would it be better to go on a working holiday visa (I'm Canadian), or go on a tourist visa, and apply for a work visa once I've secured a job.
Second, I have a bachelors degree in Psycology. Is this going to be enough for me to find a job on, or is it becoming a necessity to have some sort of supplimental english teaching certificate? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:19 am Post subject: |
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With a working holiday visa, you pay 20% tax. With a regular work visa, you pay 5-7% tax. WHVs are good for only a year, while work visas can be renewed endlessly. With the WHV, you don't need a degree or an employer to sponsor you. With the work visa, you need both.
On a WHV, you can come to Japan and start working from day 1. If you plan to come on a tourist visa status, you can't work until you have your work visa processed, and that could take a couple of months, during which time you are paying for your own expenses, and you might even have to leave the country to process the final stages of your work visa (more out of pocket expenses for you).
To get a work visa, all you need is a bachelor's degree, any major will do. To get a JOB, some employers are more picky, but most eikaiwas don't care. I have proofread resumes from people with a variety of degrees. You really need to sell yourself as a person with enthusiasm, openness to the culture, a willingness to adapt to Japanese ways, and a likelihood that you will survive the culture shock. Speaking Japanese isn't necessary for the job, but it IS for most daily living, even in large cities like Tokyo.
If you have no teaching experience or training or education, doesn't it make sense to get some? If you are only going to stay here a year, that would be the only excuse I could see in not investing in it. However, there are situations where you might not be given a teaching format and training by your employer, so you would be solely responsible for planning, creating, and presenting all of your lesson plans, and you might not even have a single textbook in the office to use as a reference! How would you handle that situation? Moreover, whatever training you might get is only going to be applicable to that specific employer's teaching format and textbooks. Learn as much as possible about all methods. And, as a side note, knowing how to make and present lessons could come in handy if you decide to teach private lessons or advance to institutions like high schools. |
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joncharles
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 132 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Being from the USA, I don't think you can get a Working Holiday Visa so you are stuck with the Tourist Visa or get hired before you go and have the visa before you go. If you do go on a tourist visa watch out.. there is an earlier post somewhere in this forum about the dangers of working on a tourist visa. An example would be if the visa expired before your work visa was ready you could end up in jail and deported. Plus if you get caught working on a tourist visa.. trouble! |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I would say small time eikaiwa every time with these criteria
in a smaller city nearer a bigger city for escape
with an owner who is around and who has experience of living abroad/speaks English well
with a couple of other foreign teachers
who will find you accommodation
I think this setup is great for first timers as it provides enough support without an overwhelming workload and an opportunity to really get into Japanese culture if you want it.
Working for the bigger schools you will often (not always) find it very difficult to actually befriend and mix with Japanese |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Being from the USA, I don't think you can get a Working Holiday Visa |
He said he was Canadian. As long as he is in the right age bracket (18-30) and can prove he can support himself financially, he is eligible for the WHV. |
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ByeBye6
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 7 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have any formal teaching experience, but I do have a Masters Degree.
I am willing to go to Japan and interview on a tourist visa(American), but I'm a little scared I'll get caught and ruin any chance of teaching at all!
I feel like I'm losing out on 75% of the ESL market by NOT living in Japan. It's almost like you HAVE to be in Japan to get a job. There seems to be a lot of competition at the USA recruiting offices, and I personal wouldn't mind teaching at a small city in a small city. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I feel like I'm losing out on 75% of the ESL market by NOT living in Japan. It's almost like you HAVE to be in Japan to get a job. |
Simply put, you almost do. How else would you figure most people get jobs in foreign lands? There just aren't that many recruiters to go around.
As for my previous comment on WHV and Canadians, I took it that ihorner and ByeBye were the same person by the way that ihorner wrote initially I can see that that isn't the case now. |
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ByeBye6
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 7 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:47 am Post subject: |
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So what do you recommend?
This is my tentative plan:
1) Get a RT to Japan end of the summer (beginning of Sept)
2) Live with a friend near Okayama
3) Search eslcafe.com, gaijinpot.com and others for jobs
4) Apply
5) Get a position
6) Go to Korea to change visa
7) Come back and start teaching!
Anything else to consider? Is this OK?  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:12 am Post subject: |
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ByeBye,
As an American, you can't get the WHV, so you are stuck with getting a regular work visa (unless you marry a Japanese, or marry a non-Japanese with a FT job here, or become a student here).
So, your next set of options circle around whether you want to/can come here to job hunt. It is expensive, and even with a master's degree, you are not guaranteed a job. So, the first thing to consider is money. If you can afford to bring US$4000-5000 with you while you job hunt, then I would recommend coming here. If you can't do that, then you are forced to rely on the very few (about 10) places that hire from abroad and sponsor visas. In such cases, you are at the mercy of their recruiting schedules and locations.
Learn as much Japanese as possible, for daily living, if nothing else.
Learn as much about Japanese business practices and customs.
Read as much as you can about the eikaiwas to see what real news and what gossip is available. Learn to tell the difference.
Learn what life is like in various locations, because if you are given a choice of branch offices, you will be able to put in a request, and you might as well make it an informed one. |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:12 am Post subject: |
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ByeBye6 wrote: |
I feel like I'm losing out on 75% of the ESL market by NOT living in Japan. |
Not by any means. The world is a big place.
Rather, you are missing out on 100% of the EFL market in Japan by not living there.  |
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ByeBye6
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 7 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
As an American, you can't get the WHV, so you are stuck with getting a regular work visa (unless you marry a Japanese, or marry a non-Japanese with a FT job here, or become a student here).
So, your next set of options circle around whether you want to/can come here to job hunt. |
OK. I understand I can't get a WHV, but once I go to Japan and find a job, CAN I GO TO KOREA TO CHANGE MY VISA? I don't have the $4000US you recommended- not even close- so I'd have to go on a tourist visa, really I just have to leave the country in 90 days. I am completely willing to stay in Japan and search for jobs...I've been there, and I have a good idea of where I want to work, plus I speak Japanese.
I really haven't found any info on what to do about changing visas FOR AMERICANS...Any suggestions?? 
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:57 am Post subject: |
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I understand I can't get a WHV, but once I go to Japan and find a job, CAN I GOT TO KOREA TO CHANGE MY VISA? |
Yes. You may not have to do this. Case by case with some immigration offices. But I would certainly plan on it financially.
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I don't have the $4000US you recommended- not even close- so I'd have to go on a tourist visa, really I just have to leave the country in 90 days. I am completely willing to stay in Japan and search for jobs...I've been there, and I have a good idea of where I want to work, plus I speak Japanese. |
As a tourist, you won't be able to rent an apartment. You will have to get a place at a gaijin house. Some rare apartments don't care about guarantors or key money, but it depends on where you live. Some also ask for all of your rent (for the entire length of time you wish to stay) UP FRONT. You don't have the money? No guarantees of finding work in a week, or a month, or in 3 months. So, figure on these expenses...
gaijin house rent = 50,000 to 80,000 yen/month (maybe with a 25,000 yen deposit)
groceries = 24,000 yen/month, and with some meals purchased on the fly (such as 2 McDonalds lunch sets/week and one "luxury" meal of 1500 yen/week), the total on food would run to 34,000
laundry & dry cleaning = 3500 yen/month
Japan Times = 600 yen/month (Monday edition only for the ads)
cell phone = 10,000 yen setup, plus 5000-8000 yen/month service
Internet cafe = 4000 yen/month
local transportation = 15,000 to 20,000 yen/month
haircut = 2000-3000 yen/month
Total monthly costs for these bare basic job hunting expenses are going to be 114,100 to 150,100 yen (add the gaijin house deposit and the cell phone setup charge, and you have 185,100 yen for your FIRST MONTH ALONE) Oh, and of course, you have to think of airfare on top of that.
So, if you can't find work for a month, you will be spending 114,100-150,100 yen/month JUST TO LIVE AND LOOK FOR WORK. No snacks. No souvenirs. No postcards home. No entertainment. No museums. No shopping. No long distance phone calls. No health insurance. No flight to Korea. Zilch.
Can you see why even 2 months is going to approach that $4000 figure? If you can't afford these figures, reconsider what you are doing. |
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