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jammex88
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| stupid question..what does OP mean? Still learning the acronyms around here... |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jammex88 wrote: |
| stupid question..what does OP mean? Still learning the acronyms around here... |
Original Poster (the person who created the thread). |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| jammex88 wrote: |
| This is a position to start in August. |
Given that we don't know your particular quals, this seems to be a standard uni fall semester hire.
You will be starting work 1 Sept, although freshers may have military.
If you can get RMB5500 pm to start, plus accom/utilities, airfare, paid Spring Break and summer paid as well if you re-sign.
Don't start off by trying to bid up to 7K as another has suggested. There are enough hassles getting started in China. Leave the Great (salary) Leap Forward for Year2.
Another thing: A long term China hand emailed me earlier and he is moving unis because his workload is now split across two campuses. This involves a lengthy commute 2 days pw.
Chinese schools are increasingly moving to the outskirts of their cities as their downtown real estate increases in value.
So, another question would be: Is all teaching on the campus you live on? |
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jammex88
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:10 am Post subject: |
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I had an 'interview' where they basically just told me about the job/apt, etc.
This is a public Chinese university, Univ of Jinan. Looks legit, website works, pics of everything.
Salary: 6200
Apt on campus included with utilities paid
14-16 teaching hours/week (2 or 3 classes per semester)
2200 transport allowance
Airfare reimbursement after 10 month
Z visa
Winter holidays paid
If I renew, summer holidays paid
So probably, this is decent, normal for a first year person?
Only question I have that he can't seem to answer is the background check. How does one go about getting this?? And he says to have the embassy in USA recognize it when I go for the Visa.
This may be for the newbie forum? |
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muffintop
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| If they're going to get you the Z visa right away...it's a fair offer. I would not expect most folks would be able to find something at a Uni that pays significantly better for the first year. |
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Javelin of Radiance
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| If they're going to get you the Z visa right away...it's a fair offer. I would not expect most folks would be able to find something at a Uni that pays significantly better for the first year. |
I agree. You're not going to do any better than this from abroad. Earning more money, either through a better job, or through making connections for private teaching, means being on the ground here and searching them out. You can't do that from home. As non sequitut usually points out your first job here is probably not going to be the job that keeps you in China, it's merely a springboard to something better. |
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| muffintop wrote: |
| If they're going to get you the Z visa right away...it's a fair offer. I would not expect most folks would be able to find something at a Uni that pays significantly better for the first year. |
I agree. You're not going to do any better than this from abroad. Earning more money, either through a better job, or through making connections for private teaching, means being on the ground here and searching them out. You can't do that from home. |
Thirded. Good words from muffintop and JoR. If the school can get you the Z-visa in a mostly straightforward manner (T.I.C.) from the onset, then the offer would be kosher.
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| muffintop wrote: |
| If they're going to get you the Z visa right away...it's a fair offer. I would not expect most folks would be able to find something at a Uni that pays significantly better for the first year. |
I agree. You're not going to do any better than this from abroad. Earning more money, either through a better job, or through making connections for private teaching, means being on the ground here and searching them out. You can't do that from home. As non sequitut usually points out your first job here is probably not going to be the job that keeps you in China, it's merely a springboard to something better. |
Thanks JoR!
I left that old saw out as I thought I was overdoing things 
This looks like a reasonable offer.
Would just check on what subject is being taught.
16 contact hours can blow all to hell if there is another 5 hours marking for writing or comprehension. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| You're not going to do any better than this from abroad |
The OP can do much better from abroad. The OP can find a position with a college that does not break the law.
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| âFâ visa for one semester teacher |
This is illegal. Even if the OP takes a two semester position using a Z visa, the contract clearly states that this college is willing to break the law. They may be willing to break other things. Like contracts. |
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jammex88
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, this is a public university and during the interview he kept talking about 'because of Chinese laws..' to justify all the things I had to do paperwork wise. So, I think it is legit. I don't know about the F visa wording in that original paperwork, but this is a Z visa.
One thing that bothers me is he wants me to sign both a Chinese and English version of the preliminary contract. I don't see why this is necessary. I don't want to sign something in Chinese that I can't even read. Is this normal? |
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johntpartee
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Contracts in English and Chinese are standard.
jammex88, I'm a little confused by your naivete. This college is NOT legit. They offer to hire teachers using an F visa. THIS IS ILLEGAL. IT IS AGAINST CHINESE LAW. THIS SCHOOL BREAKS THE LAW.
I'm sorry to sound patronizing, but you just don't seem to get it. |
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jammex88
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know Chinese laws but like I said, when I talked to this guy for over an hour and asked him about the Z visa, he told me "actually Chinese laws say it must be a z visa.." so I don't know what that original language about the F visa was referring to (maybe it was outdated, badly translated?) And from all the questions I asked, he didn't really sugar coat anything.
From the mountain of paperwork they have asked me for, it strikes me that they are doing everything by the book. And, I have thoroughly gone through their website, it is a totally legit, huge Chinese public university.
http://www.ujn.edu.cn/en/
Party A (Employer): University of Jinan (represented by International Affairs Office)
Legal Representative: Cheng Xin
Agent ad Litem: Sun Yanmei
Address: 106, Jiwei Road, Jinan, Shandong, China, 250022
Tel: 86-531-82767683 |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope it works out for you, jammex88. Keep us updated. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope it works out for you, jammex88. Keep us updated. |
That's better jtp.
Helluva negative (unnecessarily so in my view), in your earlier contributions.
Place gettin to ya? |
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muffintop
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| Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think he was overly negative at all. Per the ad....they were willing to hire teachers under an F visa which we all know is illegal. I am sure you are aware of this. While I think most of us will agree the offer currently on the table is a decent one.....we should not forget the school is apparently willing to disregard the law. We do not know that they'll flaunt the law in other aspects but.....it's certainly not something to be dismissed so lightly. |
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