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selu26
Joined: 11 Feb 2014 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, before you go into work. You will only work with a limited amount of materials most of the time, and the lessons are very structured. There are a lot of steps, but they are pretty self explanatory and repetitive. But at first it's a lot to take in so you will need to allow extra time to read through the lessons for the day and familiarise yourself with the materials and the steps for each lesson.
After a month or two (maybe a little longer if this is your first ever teaching job) you should know most of it and you'll only need to flick through to remind yourself, and then spend your office time doing photocopying, or whatever other prep needs to be done, but at first, it will eat into your free time. |
Well it's reassuring to know that it'll only take a couple of months to get on the right track. Sounds like those first months are going to be pretty stressful though. Did you work at AEON?
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| It's more likely that you will be able to take classes on your days off rather than before work, but you will still need to find time for self study as well. It's not all study though, if you can make friends who speak Japanese (and don't just want to practice their English) you can get a lot of practice in that way without actually being in class. (Though really I am totally the wrong person to give advice on this, because I didn't learn Japanese while I was there). |
I was hoping that there would be classes like that, but I was worried that, given your days off tend to be Sunday/Monday, that not many classes would be accommodating to that kind of schedule.
I appreciate your perspective regardless. Did you have any comments for my lesson plan? I'm still trying to pick an activity to focus on, as I know that's pretty much the biggest thing on the first day. Thanks! |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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No, I worked at GABA, and also at a university. However, I had several friends who worked with AEON, so I am pretty familiar with the company.
If you can only take classes a couple of times a week you may have to get a private tutor rather than trying to take a regular class. But if you make the time to study in the week as well, you will still make good progress. Also, most city halls offer free Japanese classes to local residents, but it will be pot luck as to whether they fall on your day off or not, but it's definitely worth checking out. (IME they weren't great quality, but as they were basically free, it was still a good deal).
For your lesson plan, my advice is probably too late, but if you have any choice at all, don't do directions. It's hard to make your first class on directions interesting and engaging because their is so much vocab to learn. IMHO it's second only to telling the time in one to be avoided for a demo lesson.
If they have told you it has to be directions, there's not much you can do. But if you have a choice, choose something with a smaller vocab list so they can get on to an activity as soon as possible. (If you do have to go with directions then forward/backward wouldn't be considered common vocab, it would be more likely to be 'go straight ahead/on' and 'go back' and then you are starting to mess with phrasal verbs which makes it even more complicated). |
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selu26
Joined: 11 Feb 2014 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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For your lesson plan, my advice is probably too late, but if you have any choice at all, don't do directions. It's hard to make your first class on directions interesting and engaging because their is so much vocab to learn. IMHO it's second only to telling the time in one to be avoided for a demo lesson.
If they have told you it has to be directions, there's not much you can do. But if you have a choice, choose something with a smaller vocab list so they can get on to an activity as soon as possible. (If you do have to go with directions then forward/backward wouldn't be considered common vocab, it would be more likely to be 'go straight ahead/on' and 'go back' and then you are starting to mess with phrasal verbs which makes it even more complicated). |
Well, this is precisely why I posted here. I got the feeling that I wasn't really being clear enough in my original post, and that I may have confused the people that initially gave me some responses. I do have a choice in what I want my demo lesson to be about (AEON doesn't specify, like others said, the lesson is more of a test of your demeanor than anything else), so I'm open to other suggestions for topics.
Maybe teaching colors would be an easier route? |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Colours is easy vocab, but it's not very interesting. Do they give you any guidance at all? Age? Level? Or are you entirely free to choose? |
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selu26
Joined: 11 Feb 2014 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:35 am Post subject: |
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They do give some guidance. What they want (copy-pasted from the e-mail they sent me):
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A 5-minute teaching demonstration: Applicant must prepare (and submit on the day) a 30-minute lesson plan, 5 minutes of which will be presented. Other applicants will act as students. The lesson should be for beginner students of English. (We recommend that you conduct research on the internet or at your local library for ideas and techniques.)
OBJECTIVE: In an interactive and creative manner, teach a lesson focusing on English conversation.
SUGGESTIONS: Pattern practice exercises, role plays, educational games/activities, etc. |
They gave me another document, which is mostly expectations for me, but it has a couple more pieces of guidance:
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Most Japanese adults have studied some English in the school system and have basic reading and writing skills. Your target audience will be made up of other candidates.
However, they represent Japanese students who speak and understand English at a beginner level.
We will provide a whiteboard or flipchart and markers. Bring any other materials you’ll need to teach your lesson, but please refrain from using laptop computers or other electronic devices. |
As I've heard, the demo is more of a showcase of your demeanor and enthusiasm than your actual teaching ability. To that end, I thought about bringing in my own materials just to show that I was serious about it (as many people have suggested).
One idea I had, along with the theme of teaching colors (I know you said it wasn't interesting, but hear me out), was that I bring a two-sided poster in with one side that is split up into a 4-piece grid colored with Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green in the quadrants, and maybe number them (so a combined lesson on numbers AND colors maybe?). Then I would hold up cards with the color names on them, and have students say which numbered quadrant I should place them in.
On the other side would be the same quadrants, but this time they would be the color names (Red, Green, Blue, Yellow), and I would hold up cards that were just colored in with those colors, and students would then have to call out the color names to tell me where to put them.
This is just one idea I had. I'm treating this post as kind of a brainstorming session, and it's doing really well in that regard so far. If you have any ideas about what topics would be simple AND interesting to pursue (I heard that teaching opposites like hot/cold, fast/slow would be simple and fun), please feel free to let me know. Thanks! |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:57 am Post subject: |
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They would already know the basic colours and by the time you've explained the game to them your 5 minutes will be nearly up. Personally, I would go for a simple practical activity with an obvious communicative purpose. (Where does your colour game fit into a conversation lesson?). They say beginners, so lets say A2 CEF. If that means nothing to you, look at this for a summary. https://www.teachers.cambridgeesol.org/ts/exams/CEFR/A2
In your lesson plan you would be expected to state the level of your students anyway.
I'd pick something very obvious and standard from the can do statements for that level, like ordering from a restaurant with picture prompts, buying a ticket (with prompts), booking a hotel room. The communicative activity is obvious, they role play ordering/booking taking it in turns. You can show you've prepared by bringing picture and prompt cards. Aiming to finish with them role playing without prompt cards.
For example, order at a cafe. Start the lesson with a quick review of food/drink vocab, (elicit vocab from them, A2 they should already know some). Have cards with the usual stuff, coffee, tea, water, a chicken sandwich, a cheese sandwich, a salad, a cookie, a slice of cake, plus a few blanks so Ss can write one of their own each. Have a picture on one side and the picture and word on the other. Introduce the vocab, I would like, Can I have, I'll have a and the waiter's reply 'certainly', 'I'll get that for you' 'Would you like <a drink/some food> with that?' Have them practice a few short scripted role plays, taking it in turns to be waiter and customer. Then repeat with a reduced/gap fill role play, then act it out without the prompts using just the picture cards. Customer orders, waiter gives them the correct picture card.
For your 5 min demo, demo the role play with a student first, then have them practice in pairs, you monitor, correct and support. Minimal talk time for you, max for them, clear lesson aim.
It won't win any awards for originality but it's a solid simple demo with opportunity for you to be enthusiastic and engaging. |
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selu26
Joined: 11 Feb 2014 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:49 am Post subject: |
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First off I'd like to say I really appreciate your help. I have been having a bit of trouble pinning down where exactly to aim my lesson, and your advice is starting to give me some cohesion.
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| They would already know the basic colours and by the time you've explained the game to them your 5 minutes will be nearly up. Personally, I would go for a simple practical activity with an obvious communicative purpose. (Where does your colour game fit into a conversation lesson?). |
Very good point. I feel like the game I came up with would be more a 50/50 split in talking time, which is something I'd like to avoid.
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For example, order at a cafe. Start the lesson with a quick review of food/drink vocab, (elicit vocab from them, A2 they should already know some). Have cards with the usual stuff, coffee, tea, water, a chicken sandwich, a cheese sandwich, a salad, a cookie, a slice of cake, plus a few blanks so Ss can write one of their own each. Have a picture on one side and the picture and word on the other. Introduce the vocab, I would like, Can I have, I'll have a and the waiter's reply 'certainly', 'I'll get that for you' 'Would you like <a drink/some food> with that?' Have them practice a few short scripted role plays, taking it in turns to be waiter and customer. Then repeat with a reduced/gap fill role play, then act it out without the prompts using just the picture cards. Customer orders, waiter gives them the correct picture card.
For your 5 min demo, demo the role play with a student first, then have them practice in pairs, you monitor, correct and support. Minimal talk time for you, max for them, clear lesson aim. |
I like this idea, but I feel like the activity would have to be trimmed down a bunch (maybe only 1 phrase/4 food items?) to fit within the 5 minute time slot.
One thing I didn't mention (and this is just a personal thing), is that I have this big posterboard that I'd like to use, but I'm having trouble working it in. With the cafe idea, I thought of maybe using it as a menu. It would be split down the middle, and food items would be on one side, and their prices on the other. One student would ask "How much is X?" and the other would reply with the correct price, say "It is X dollars and X cents" or some such. It could be extended by having the original student then say "Ok, I'll take X of them" or something like that.
But, again, this is sounding sort of boring as I type it. The brainstorming is helping though. |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:58 am Post subject: |
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The plan was for a full lesson, you would just take a tiny 5 min chunk of it and demo that. You would need to be careful with the poster board, because asking questions about menu items is a B1 activity, so you'd have to pitch it very carefully to get the level right.
Rather than starting with a prop and trying to think of an activity, search the net for an appropriate activity that you could demo in 5 mins, and then plan a lesson around that. But you really need to spend a bit of time reading about language levels first so that you are clear about what an A1/A2 learner should be learning. |
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selu26
Joined: 11 Feb 2014 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:18 am Post subject: |
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I see what you're saying, though I might have come up with an interesting idea that does involve the posterboard.
Say I have a bunch of sticky notes up on the board with pictures of food or items at a store. I would introduce the vocab of the cards (apple, egg, celery, etc. etc.), and then have 2 students come up. One would be the customer, and the other the clerk. The customer would say "I'd like a/an X", and the clerk would say "Certainly" and take the sticky note from the board and give it to the customer. Then another pair would go, etc. etc.
I feel like this could be completed within the 5 minute timeline, has a fairly clear objective (teaching about food items/how to ask for things at a store), and involves very little time for me to speak. I could even stick the sticky notes on a wall if I had to, and just skip the posterboard entirely. |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:33 am Post subject: |
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The basic idea is fine, but I can see a couple of problems with it. First, it's quite hard to make nice looking props with sticky notes, or do you have a way of printing directly on to them? Otherwise are you going to cut pictures out and stick them on to the sticky notes? Will the notes still be sticky enough after all the peeling and resticking while you make the cards?
Second, most of the time just 2 students are talking while the rest of the class watches. That's only marginally better than having the class watch while you talk. Can you get them working in pairs to maximise their talk time?
Also, stick to one objective. If you are teaching how to ask for things in a store, then only review food vocab they already know, don't try to cover new food vocab and 'asking' in one 30 min lesson. Keep it simple. |
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selu26
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Also, stick to one objective. If you are teaching how to ask for things in a store, then only review food vocab they already know, don't try to cover new food vocab and 'asking' in one 30 min lesson. Keep it simple. |
This is a major sticking point for me. I really don't know what these hypothetical students know. I imagine simple things like apple, orange, banana, bread, are a given, so I'd have to just go with that.
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| First, it's quite hard to make nice looking props with sticky notes, or do you have a way of printing directly on to them? Otherwise are you going to cut pictures out and stick them on to the sticky notes? Will the notes still be sticky enough after all the peeling and resticking while you make the cards? |
A solid point. I'm beginning to think I went out and bought all the wrong materials! I wonder if I can still return them?
What you're saying though is find some thick card stock and print out pictures of stuff like apples and oranges on them, and then use sticky tack or something to adhere it to the board?
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| Second, most of the time just 2 students are talking while the rest of the class watches. That's only marginally better than having the class watch while you talk. Can you get them working in pairs to maximise their talk time? |
I'm just a bit worried that that would make my plan look unstructured, and I'm also worried that I wouldn't have enough students to have multiple pairs, or that I would have an odd number of students. I'm trying to keep the students as the ones doing the only talking (by having them role play in front of the group) while also giving the appearance of something very structured (instead of group work, which I feel could go either way.) If this was anything other than a 5 minute teaching demo for AEON, I would totally agree with you, but right now I'm not entirely sure.
I really appreciate the help so far. Thanks! |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:01 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure what you mean about wanting it to look structured.
The reason it's bad for you to do all the talking is that while you are talking the students aren't. Swapping that for having 2 students talking while the rest of the class does nothing barely increases their talk time at all. You need to find a way of maximising all of the students' talk time.
Also, if they were real students it would put them in a very uncomfortable situation. You are asking them to 'perform' in front of the whole class using language they haven't fully learnt yet. Just getting Japanese students to speak in class can be challenging sometimes, let alone making them stand at the front and do it.
If you have created a good pair activity then it can be adapted to any group size. If you only have one pair that's fine, if you have an uneven number have a group of 3. In your example, you would just have 2 customers and 1 store owner, they would rotate characters anyway. While the students are working you would be listening, monitoring and (very gently) correcting if needed.
EDIT: if you look at the links I gave you earlier you can see what is expected of an A1/A2 student. Search for CEF 'can do' statements and vocab lists for those levels to get a feel for what they should know. |
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selu26
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:19 am Post subject: |
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I'm having a bit of a hard time explaining this. I understand your point about students not wanting to be called out, and how my activity doesn't really increase their talking time much, and I agree.
My greatest concern I guess is that I feel like, during group work, it would be difficult for me to showcase my demeanor. But, given your suggestion to monitor the students, I could also be dispensing praise/corrections as needed, so that would allow me some time to show the reps my attitude. The initial demo where I would be either the store owner or the customer could help alleviate this as well.
I guess I'm getting too caught up in the idea that the focus needs to be on me in front of the "class" for the majority of the time. Group work pulls the attention away from me and onto the students, and I feel like that would make it hard for the reps to gauge whatever they want to gauge. Though maybe that's the point. |
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rslrunner
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| So they want a mime, huh? Sounds pretty in line with everything else I've heard about AEON. Oh well. |
They don't want a mime, they want someone who will follow their materials exactly in their way. Their whole marketing scheme is built on the courses and teachers being interchangeable. If your student is away on business for a week he can go to another AEON school and take the exact same lessons he would have had with you. That's their unique selling point, and students who are frequently away from home do value it and are paying a premium for it. If teachers decide they can do it better their way and start going freestyle the whole system falls apart.
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Oh wow, this is new. I was told constantly that smiling like an idiot and blowing your genkiness out of proportion was a surefire way to get hired, but I guess that might not be the case. |
It's pretty much common sense. You need to be happy, lively and energetic, smile and be enthusiastic, especially as you will be teaching kids sometimes. No-one wants to go to a class with a bored dour faced teacher.
On the other hand, don't go completely over the top and come across as manic, hysterical and creepy. You are roughly aiming for something slightly less bouncy than a kids TV presenter.
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I also heard that if you reveal that you know much about Japanese culture/language that that will hurt you to. Is there any truth to that? |
Again, it's a balance. An interest in learning the language is fine, coming across as weird and obsessive is not. Avoid anything that will set otaku alarm bells ringing.
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Does any of this sound unrealistic? It would be nice to know that any of this plan is a pipe dream before I go traipsing off to Chicago.
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It's not unrealistic as long as you are motivated to study the language at the same time as working. Initially you won't have much spare time, you'll have to do unpaid prep in your free time to keep up. That's pretty much always the case with new jobs with a specific methodology. Once you get the hang of it, you should be able to get your prep done in your office hours, and that will free up time to study. But the hours are quite long and it will probably be more tiring that you expect. It's easy to let the language study slide if you don't work at it.[/quote]
I did fail the original training quite spectacularly. In this post, I don't think I've said anything you would take issue with. I think your advice has been spot on here.
The job hours are quite long, ten hours a day. That is manageable when you know the methodology. But if someone is new and they doesn't know the methodology, planning for classes will take much longer. This will mean that new employees will work 12 hour days at first, minimum. So forget learning Japanese, there won't be time for anything else except work at the beginning.
HLJHLJ, is that correct? |
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nightsintodreams
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:45 am Post subject: |
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If you want to learn Japanese, get out of Aeon as soon as possible. You will be surrounded by English all day at work, then on the weekends you'll be hanging out with other Aeon teachers who speak English.
You will NOT make Japanese friends who don't want to pactice their English unless you are already a competant Japanese speaker. A girlfriend/boyfriend on the other hand, is always a possibility if you meet the right person.
It's not impossible to learn Japanese while working at an Eikaiwa, but it will reduce your chances and slow down your progress.
Good luck with your interview. |
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