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Is Japan's rich history obvious?
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kiracle



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Gifu, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are going to read Alex Kerr, I would try Lost Japan, too. He wrote it before Dogs and Demons and it's not quite as jaded. Some of the reasons why he is here and why he loves Japan come through loud and clear despite the rant against dammed rivers. Much more balanced.
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, should've mentioned that myself. Lost Japan is much better and, as you said, written years before interestingly.


One major way I got into Japanese history was by borrowing kids manga history books from the local library. Great informative reading practice with furigana to boot.
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Dr.J



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting question. I think in the case of Japan, they seem to care a little more about 'form' and less about 'look'. What I mean is, as long as the old castle is THERE, you can have bright neon lights and souvenir stalls surrounding it (and extension cords running through the walls etc.)

However, the teacher/student custom is quite strong, so you can see many traditional practices (dances, crafts) that haven't changed for generations.
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kiracle



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. While I felt at first I was getting gyped on the culture front, I found that I can learn and expereince quite a bit through my students. I work at an eikaiwa so my students are all ages and have a variety of interests. Some of them are actively involved in traditional practices (Zen temple cooking, pottery, calligraphy, dance, tea ceremony ,to mention a few) and are happy to share with me. I am discovering a very distinct and in many way ancient and tradtional culture simply through spending time with my students and learning how they live and what they are intereested in.

Admittedly the number one hobby is still either sleeping or shopping but the exceptions are making my expereince all the more richer.
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blackguy-n-Asia



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an excellent topic!

I'm going to visit Japan in 2005, but now I know I'm not going to see some of the 'cultural' things that I was supposing Crying or Very sad

I can stay in Canada if I wanted to see concrete buildings!! Damn.

Culture also resides in people, so one cannot say that it's all gone. Cool
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Sam Adams



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is to Paul H. Why is it that a question about Japnese culture makes you feel like this is an opportunity for you to bash America? I'm not disagreeing with what you said. You make many valid and intellectual points. As one of the moderators of this forum though, you should know better.
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Paulh just made an analogy. I'm American and I didn't take his comments as American bashing.
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Sam Adams



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comparing Japanese domestic policy and culture that is relevant in some way to all of its people to American foreign policy that applies to more of a minority that
A- voted for Bush
B-That support the Iraq war

is not a very good or appropriate analogy on a Japanese discussion board.
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam, perhaps you should reread Paul's post.

His example perfectly served to illustrate the illusion that people have about Japan and the US and the reality that is in fact the truth. The same is true for the UK in that the image is that Englishmen are perfect gentlemen whereas reality is... well... different.

If you have an issue with that, take it to another forum. If you have something to say about Japanese history then let's hear it...
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AgentMulderUK



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam Adams wrote:
Comparing Japanese domestic policy and culture that is relevant in some way to all of its people to American foreign policy that applies to more of a minority that
A- voted for Bush
B-That support the Iraq war

is not a very good or appropriate analogy on a Japanese discussion board.


And what has this to do with "Is Japan's rich history obvious?" ?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam Adams wrote:
This is to Paul H. Why is it that a question about Japnese culture makes you feel like this is an opportunity for you to bash America? I'm not disagreeing with what you said. You make many valid and intellectual points. As one of the moderators of this forum though, you should know better.


I was making an analogy, truth be told.

If I was America bashing I probably would have said that Americans are big fat, loud, NRA gun-toting mono-lingual yokels but I didn't.

What i was trying to say in a roundabout way is that you have here what Japanese want the world and new teachers coming here to see and think of Japan as some idyllic island with clear running streams and shakuhachi playing in the background, hardworking resourceful and polite people who will welcome you with open arms into their homes. People get here and they experience all the above in Dogs and Demons. Japan is not the Chrysanthenum garden of the east like Takagi's garden in "karate kid".

If I could digress a little further:

The US government wants people to think it cares about democracy in Iraq when all it cares about is oil, and you now have 10's of thousands of dead Iraqis and 800 US soldiers who cant enjoy democracy fought in a war that has no legal or moral basis.

The political analogy I used was to point out was that what the US (government) says re Iraq etc and what the US does are two different things, and that they are somewhat hypocritical in their attitudes e.g. prisoners of war, Guantanamo vs prisons in Iraq, WMD etc. This is a proven fact, and its not a case of America-bashing. i would say the same if it was Australia or England. If you take it personally, it sounds like you have something on your conscience, thats all.

I wont get into a political debate here but i think i have made my point.




PS As a moderator I am not flaming or spamming any particular individual, and as you said you agree with me. I think you will probably find very few people who don't agree, in this instance.

PS I am entitled to my opinions, as long as I dont personally offend anyone, hard as it may be for you to swallow.
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