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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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fluffyhamster wrote: |
I bet the difference between what the BOE pays the dispatcher and what the AET then receives would go a long way towards making the job financially viable for the AET. |
Let's do the math here. Dispatch ALTs make 230Kpm while direct hires make 330Kpm (jobs ads I have seen, lots of room for variation). What does Interac charge their client per ALT? Honest question, I don't know.
Basically, there's a 100K difference between those two positions that I am not getting. Don't know about you, the second salary is not fantastic but would certainly let me breathe easier.
BOEs seem to view us as difficult to manage and train, but most ALT training I have received was insufficient and my foreign supervisors rarely gave me straight answers or useful information.
For my own experience, the biggest obstacle wasn't my lack of training, but rather control freak JTEs who don't know or don't want to use an ALT effectively. Using me as a speaking machine or completely excluding me from the planning process or even informing me of decisions made. |
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marley'sghost
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 255
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I just got my yearly schedule from the big "I". Aside from the points most amusingly and succinctly brought up by zues, the most disturbing change for me, is all the summer holiday "work days" are now labeled "Training" and "English Camp". The company also started sending some of us out to this English summer camp the local big BOE is running. They never bothered keeping track of us during school vacations before. Those school holiday "work days" were always just vacation. It will really suck if I have to start burning my holidays to get out of summer busywork. We'll see how it all works out, but I don't like what I'm seeing so far. |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 557 Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Inflames wrote: |
teacheratlarge wrote: |
I think at the uni level, it's rare to up and quit. At one time, maybe 20 years ago, it was more common. Nowadays, it's very rare. |
It's not rare - every year I hear of a few places where people either quit or get sick either at the beginning of or in the middle of the semester. |
Regular, permanent employment status would solve that.
Like American, Canadian or British international schools in Singapore, Hong Kong, Taipei, etc., the high salaries, bonuses, pension and other social benefits would ensure that only the top gaijin applicants are eligible for the positions.
But the Japanese people in charge of these schools do not want this. They would rather pay a middleman, like INTERAC, Westgate, etc., to hire unqualified backpackers and 20-dumbthings, to come over and teach in their schools.
It's their country. If that's what governments and those Japanese in charge of education programs want to do, then who am I to argue. But it speaks to how serious they really are about learning English and internationalizing.
That having been said, I believe that there is resistance among the Japanese political elite and corporate Japan to having English become a successful language among the Japanese. Those in power merely pay lip service to it. Universities talk about internationalizing but make little effort to truly internationalize. It's a farce. Nothing changes.
They don't like outsiders and they don't like English. See the discrimination thread posted yesterday. But what do you expect from a tiny island that is isolated from the rest of the world? |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:30 am Post subject: |
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@Steki47: The main issue for the BOEs, for which they seem willing to fritter away hundreds of thousands of yen per month PER AET, is the hiring (and of course the firing) process. But it would be very simple to approach one or two of their current dispatch AETs and offer them direct hire in exchange for them doing all the hiring chores (advertising, correspondence, interviews etc) in future. Because as you say, for what the dispatchers are paid extra (even with all the outbidding and undercutting), for which they say they offer training support etc but then just undermine and rip off, it isn't worth it. What might help is if the labor laws actually reflected a more reasonable reality rather than a perfect yet twisted liability-filled never-never land (i.e. I'd prefer to have adequate pay but no guarantee of contract renewal even after working for the same employer for n years, rather than inadequate pay and no security at all simply because the BOEs are running scared of laws that say I should become a permanent hire at some point if hired directly). |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: |
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fluffyhamster wrote: |
But it would be very simple to approach one or two of their current dispatch AETs and offer them direct hire in exchange for them doing all the hiring chores (advertising, correspondence, interviews etc) in future. |
Now that you mention it, I have heard of some schools doing just that. My friend was at a HS in Nagoya through a dispatch agency and then the school directly hired an outsider (with a MA TESOL and Japanese fluency, mind you) and then paid that guy 350Kpm.
I would be happy to receive such an offer. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Solar Strength wrote: |
That having been said, I believe that there is resistance among the Japanese political elite and corporate Japan to having English become a successful language among the Japanese. Those in power merely pay lip service to it. Universities talk about internationalizing but make little effort to truly internationalize. It's a farce. Nothing changes.
They don't like outsiders and they don't like English. See the discrimination thread posted yesterday. But what do you expect from a tiny island that is isolated from the rest of the world? |
I recommend the book about JET, Importing Diversity. The author accurately documents the range of opinions among JTEs, from enthusiastic to ambivalent to explicitly negative attitudes about foreigners in the Japanese classroom.
I am not letting admin off the hook, but many of the problems I encounter everyday relate to HRTs/JTEs and their egos and abilities. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Solar Strength wrote: |
It's their country. If that's what governments and those Japanese in charge of education programs want to do, then who am I to argue. But it speaks to how serious they really are about learning English and internationalizing. |
I agree. I don't believe in cultural relativity but I respect cultural autonomy. Up to a point.
The weird thing is that Japan talks a lot about internationalization but then the reality is that foreigners are kept on a short leash. Contract limits for many uni lecturers and ALTs used as a speaking machines.
I give North Korea points for being consistent. No one comes in at all. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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steki47 wrote: |
fluffyhamster wrote: |
But it would be very simple to approach one or two of their current dispatch AETs and offer them direct hire in exchange for them doing all the hiring chores (advertising, correspondence, interviews etc) in future. |
Now that you mention it, I have heard of some schools doing just that. My friend was at a HS in Nagoya through a dispatch agency and then the school directly hired an outsider (with a MA TESOL and Japanese fluency, mind you) and then paid that guy 350Kpm.
I would be happy to receive such an offer. |
I can't say I've seen many BOEs advertising such a thing over the years. I once saw something though about AETs being given "licenses" to teach solo (without a JTE) somewhere in western Honshu. I don't quite know if they were direct hire but IIRC there were one or two reports about the AET put in charge becoming a bit of a control freak. Ah, Japan can bring out the best in some, eh! lol |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="fluffyhamster"]
steki47 wrote: |
I can't say I've seen many BOEs advertising such a thing over the years. I once saw something though about AETs being given "licenses" to teach solo (without a JTE) somewhere in western Honshu. I don't quite know if they were direct hire but IIRC there were one or two reports about the AET put in charge becoming a bit of a control freak. Ah, Japan can bring out the best in some, eh! lol |
That'd be nice. JTEs are wet blankets 90% of the time. They really know how to slow down or make a class boring.
I had some kids for 6th Grade, then ended up having them when they hit 7th grade. The JTE managed to undo everything I taught them, and made my job incredibly hard. He really killed all the joy that i had when teaching those kids. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:41 am Post subject: |
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rxk22 wrote: |
That'd be nice. JTEs are wet blankets 90% of the time. They really know how to slow down or make a class boring. |
You were quoting someone else, but I get your point. Many of the JTEs seem to focus on control rather than education. I suppose that would be one of the goals in Japanese education. Everyone moving in a slow pace, but together and in complete obediance to authority. Because Japan. |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010 Posts: 1629
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, I had to delete the other quotes and messed up.
I have to say that the system is designed to pander to the slower kids, which slows things down a great deal. While the JTs love to control things and jump at any chance to get in way.
I think that stems from wanting to run things, as they would often times after I had my turn, try and nullify anything and everything I did. Which was rather annoying.
Also, I am at a private school now, and the office staff does everything they can to make sure we don't feel like part of the FT staff. Just amazing how many slights they can throw out there per day. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Wet blankets, killjoys, lead ballooners etc I can deal with. What got me most about a number of JTEs was how few quality grammars and dictionaries they owned (it was always dusty old Japanese-authored works), their apparent lack of intuition or even research skills (they'd always opt for very contrived, inauthentic, or indeed plain wrong examples), and their resistance to quite simple and eminently acquirable facts ("We don't need to teach that, it makes things less straightforward than necessary, it isn't in the textbook or exam, etc etc etc"). In other words, their applied linguistics sucked big time. I'm now tempted to compile a list of all the poor examples I've witnessed lol. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I wrote: |
I'm now tempted to compile a list of all the poor examples I've witnessed lol. |
Here's what half an hour's digging through my posts has so far unearthed. Enjoy!
Who is the sumotori who is Yokozuna?
Mr Kano is a teacher who teaches English.
I know a house which has big windows.
Yes, I've seen a lot of sentence-combining relative pronoun practice that’s very poor indeed!
Who is the(/that) running boy? (I don't know, but he’s running somewhere, and he sure ain't as long-running as The Running Man).
Get on the Yamanote line. (Train journey directions. Just don't get run over on that track!).
Did you wash the car/walk the dog yesterday? (In a Simple Past practice mingling activity, to be asked of completely random, non-relative classmates).
She is going to sleep. (Apparently the best available example for the 'be going to' construction).
If I have a lot of money I will... . (Buy a book that teaches the second conditional? ("?First-conditional-as-frequent-habit" wasn't the aim. That is, since when would most people often have a lot of money, in the sense of if=when?!)).
'It's a beautiful day, ^isn't it?^' (Tag Q, asked on an indeed beautiful day. Super rhetoric or what!?!?)
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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fluffyhamster wrote: |
What got me most about a number of JTEs was how few quality grammars and dictionaries they owned, their apparent lack of intuition or even research skills, and their resistance to quite simple and eminently acquirable facts. |
Sure. I noticed many of the JTEs (and eikaiwa students) use those electronic dictionaries. Fine, but they are not updated. A student (60 something woman) asked me about the words "smart phone" and "post-Bubble". I was happy to field the questions, but disappointed in her lack of resourcefulness. Goggle, anyone?
Generalizing here, but I find that an educational system based on rote memorization of often unconnected information does not generate the skills of analysis or inference and certainly does not generate a wide perspective whatsoever. Each new disconnected datum is a complete surprise with no perceived relationship to other data.
Going back to controlling JTEs, I had an experience that really hit me hard. I was team-teaching a 2nd year JHS class and we passed back a test. This boy calls me over and shows me a sentence marked with a red X. It had no errors, spelling or grammar. I shrugged my shoulders and suggested he talk to the JTE.
After class, I asked the JTE why she marked it wrong. Her answer: "We teach that grammar in 3rd grade. He is 2nd grade. He doesn't know that grammar yet."
Punish a kid for being a bit precocious. Dog training. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well, any of those e-dictionaries, provided they came out post-1995 (or in OUP's case, 2000, after their more clearly frequency- than historically-arranged OALD6) will have reasonably corpus-based E-E works in their suite of contents (though some seem to insist on buying models containing only J-produced works e.g. the Genius range). Whether or not the eikaiwa student can actually use and exploit their e-dictionary fully is another matter though. (I once had to show a student how to access "Every example in" searches on her model, so she could make a start at researching issues of collocation, and colligation [grammar collocations]). I guess JTEs read the manuals more carefully, but still might not make full use of theirs. I think it's a bit much to expect students to keep investing in even paper let alone e-dictionaries just to keep up with say technology vocab, but sure, if they didn't buy the fancy e stuff they'd have more money to get a veritable stack of paper ones lol.
Agree with your other points. What compounds things is when the term tests some JTEs write are so badly designed that they expose grammar gaps just waiting to be filled (which smart students as you say may fill), but the JTE then merely shrugs and begs off actually teaching anything and making the best of a bad situation. One such example here: http://forums.eslcafe.com/teacher/viewtopic.php?p=26310#26310
And this one was a classic:
JTE: Fluffyhamster-sensei, how do you answer this? 'Which dress do you like better?' In the class, I will show a red, and blue.
Me: Hmm...I like the red one better; I prefer the red one. Something like that.
JTE: 'I like THE red better'? Can I not use 'the'? I think it is too difficult for the students...I want to make it easier. How about, 'I like red better'?
Me: The question was more about dresses than just colours. Trust me, 'I like the red (one (better))' is more natural than simply 'I like red (*one better)' (though you could of course follow that up with 'so...the red one it is!' LOL), in this context.
JTE: But I want it to be easy! 'The' makes it difficult...
Me: (getting a tiny bit exasperated) Well, if you use 'the', you might actually end up teaching or showing the students something - I mean, the use of articles is something they'll need to get used to. Think of it as "input"...plus, you yourself used (had to use) 'a red' rather than just 'red' just now, right?

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